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Cruising-racing sailboat BÔ 28 classic regatta 1-cabin

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8.5 m (27'10" )

2.6 m (8'06" )

0.35 m, 1.8 m (1'01" , 5'10" )

1,600 kg (3,527.4 lb)

35 l (9 gal)

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5 Best Liveaboard Bluewater Sailboats

Liveaboard bluewater sailboats are both comfortable to live on and capable of making long, offshore ocean voyages.

The best liveaboard bluewater sailboats must strike a balance between comfort and seakeeping abilities. These boats are generally heavy and stable and roomy enough to spend time in. They must also include the necessary hardware to make cooking, sleeping, and bathing possible in choppy conditions.

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Bluewater Liveaboard Sailboat Design

What makes a good bluewater liveaboard sailboat , and how is it different from a coastal cruiser? There are a few aspects of purpose-built bluewater sailboats that make them different from most production vessels. The first and (possibly) most important is the hull design.

The classic bluewater sailboat hull shape features a long, deep, full keel. The keel acts as a hydroplane and keeps the boat stable on course in all sea conditions. Deep keel sailboats aren't the only kind of bluewater-capable vessels, but they're a tried and tested design.

Other vessels gain stability from having a wide beam. Beamy sailboats are far more comfortable in rolling seas, as they tend to buffett and pitch much less than leaner, narrow boats. Most ideal liveaboard bluewater sailboats balance length and beam carefully to make the most of the space and hull shape.

Space is another important quality to consider when choosing the best bluewater liveaboard sailboat. Interior space comes first, as living quarters are a key element of comfort.

Cockpit space should also be considered, especially if more than one person comes aboard. Most liveaboard bluewater sailboats sacrifice cockpit space for cabin space.

A comfortable liveaboard sailboat should include several amenities, including a head (toilet), a shower, two sinks, a galley with a stove, an icebox, a place to eat, and a place to sleep. Ideally, the dining area is separate from the primary sleeping area.

A separate chart table is ideal as well because it keeps food and clutter away from important navigational equipment. A chart table is less important on liveaboard sailboats that spend the majority of their time docked. That said, the chart table functions well as a spot for a microwave, toaster oven, or TV when you're not underway.

A separate forward V-berth, known as a master cabin, is a big plus on liveaboard boats. Separating the sleeping area from the rest of the cabin can increase comfort and coziness.

However, on a bluewater sailboat, a side berth near the hatch is essential as well. This is because you may need to quickly take control of the vessel after waking up, and it's best to sleep close to the helm.

Power and Water

Power and water shouldn't be overlooked when choosing a bluewater liveaboard. Many liveaboards spend most of their time docked and hooked up to shore power, water, and sewage. But bluewater liveaboards are designed for cruising, which means everything must be self-contained.

The best bluewater sailboats have sufficient freshwater storage tanks for several weeks on the water. Some have desalination (water maker) machines, which require electricity to run.

Solar panels are an excellent option for power generation, and they can be installed on almost any sailboat.

But all bluewater sailboats should have battery banks and a gasoline or diesel generator built into the system. On many vessels, the inboard engine also functions as a generator.

Safety is an essential factor to consider when choosing a cruising sailboat , especially if it doubles as your primary residence. Basic safety equipment such as bilge pumps and radios should be maintained and tested regularly. Backups and spare parts should also be kept aboard.

Other safety features, such as watertight hatches, can keep your cabin safe and dry during inclement weather. Self-draining cockpits are helpful when sailing offshore, as spray and waves drain from the exposed cockpit without the use of electric or mechanical pumps. If the drain ports are kept clean, no bailing is ever necessary.

Radar is another useful safety feature that, while not mandatory, can keep you in-the-know and alert you to the presence of nearby ships. Radar is especially useful at night, as the automatic alarms can wake you whenever a potential obstacle appears nearby.

Bluewater Sailboats for Living Aboard and Cruising

Living aboard a sailboat is one of the most interesting and rewarding lifestyles available today. It's even more alluring when you can sail your vessel across oceans, which is what bluewater sailboats are designed to do.

A liveaboard cruising sailboat combines comfort, seakeeping ability, and ease of handling in a compact and thoughtfully-designed package. Here are the best liveaboard sailboats for bluewater cruising.

1. Pacific Seacraft Flicka 20

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The Flicka 20 is the smallest and most interesting sailboat on our list. At only 20 feet overall in length, the interior accommodations of this vessel are spartan at best and suitable for minimalist living.

What makes the Flicka 20 stand out is its exceptional bluewater performance. This sailboat is truly an ultracompact pocket cruiser. With a full ballast keel, self-draining cockpit, and wide beam, the Flicka 20 is more capable offshore than some boats almost twice its size.

This sailboat has the profile of a traditional keel cruiser. From a distance, it would be easy to mistake for a much larger vessel. Its hull shape, manageable Bermuda rig, and small size make it a perfect starter sailboat for single handed offshore cruising.

Inside, you have (almost) everything you need to live comfortably, albeit in a minimalist way. The cabin features standing headroom throughout, which is highly unusual for a 20-foot sailboat. On the port side, you're greeted with a small but functional galley. On the starboard side, there's a small head with a toilet and a shower.

The Flicka 20 displaces a hardy 5,500 lbs. Due to its large keel, there's no centerboard trunk to obstruct interior space. A V-berth upfront makes up the sleeping accommodations, and some models feature settees on both sides with a pop-up dining and chart table in between.

The Pacific Seacraft Flicka 20 has achieved somewhat of a cult status amongst bluewater sailboat enthusiasts. Only about 400 were built, so purchasing a Flicka 20 is somewhat of a rare and expensive proposition. That said, the benefits of owning a 20-foot bluewater liveaboard sailboat are hard to beat.

Cheap slip fees, low maintenance costs, and simplicity are the major selling points of this vessel. It's trailerable behind most heavy-duty pickup trucks and technically small enough to store on the street or in a driveway.

2. Pacific Seacraft Allegra 24

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If the Flicka 20 is too small for your taste, try the Pacific Seacraft Allegra 24. It follows the same design principles of the Flicka 20, but with four feet of additional space for cabin amenities and seaworthiness.

Four feet may not sound like a lot, but it makes a world of difference on a sailboat. The additional space on the Allegra 24 adds room to the head, extends the port and starboard settees, and increases the size of the galley.

If you like the idea of a small, semi-trailerable offshore sailboat with liveaboard amenities, you'll love the Allegra 24. This stout sailboat has almost miraculous handling and seakeeping qualities while retaining the benefits of small overall size.

With the Allegra 24, you'll be able to make virtually any offshore passage and save on slip fees, maintenance costs, and overall labor. This vessel is easy to sail single handed and large enough for a minimalistic couple to live, eat, and sleep comfortably.

The Pacific Seacraft Allegra 24 is not ideal for people who need space for pets, children, or guests, as the interior is quite small when compared to other sailboats. That said, there's enough room for an occasional passenger, and the cockpit is comfortable enough for four adults to sit and interact.

3. O'Day 28

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The O'Day 28 is a popular sailboat that makes a great liveaboard cruising platform. This affordable vessel was produced between 1978 and 1986, and over 500 examples were produced over the years.

All in all, the O'Day 28 is a stout cruising sailboat that's suitable for offshore and coastal sailing. It features a raked stern and hidden rudder, and a helm that's similar to what you'd find on much larger boats.

The O'Day has a large fuel tank for its inboard engine and an even larger 25-gallon freshwater capacity, which is excellent for offshore cruising. Additional tanks can be added in storage spaces, making the O'Day 28 suitable for long voyages.

The cabin of the O'Day 28 is spacious and includes everything you'd need to live aboard comfortably, along with plenty of storage space throughout. The wide beam of the O'Day 28 gives it lots of space, so the cabin doesn't feel cramped for its size.

Two models of the O'Day 28 were built; one featured a swing keel, and the other had a fixed swing keel. The swing keel model is ideal for coastal cruising and shallow-water sailing, while the fixed keel O'Day 28 is more suited for bluewater cruising.

That said, both keel variants make fine offshore sailboats. The cabin of the O'Day 28 features a large galley with a stove and icebox, two large settee berths, a large center table ahead, and a V-berth forward. The head serves as a separator to the forward cabin, giving the V-berth an extra layer of privacy.

4. William Atkin "Eric" 32

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"Eric," designed in the 1920s by famous marine architect William Atkin, is a radical departure from typical modern liveaboard sailboats. However, as a bluewater liveaboard sailboat, this vessel likely outshines all the others on this list in almost every conceivable way.

Eric is a 32-foot traditional wooden ketch. This planked full- keel sailboat displaces over 19,000 lbs and has a draft of about five feet. The basic design of the hull is based on early Norweigian fishing boats, which were known for their resilience in rough North Sea storms.

Eric is a traditional gaff-rigged vessel with two short masts and a long bowsprit. Though complex to rig, it sails beautifully in all weather conditions. One of the earliest examples built survived a hurricane offshore in the 1930s, and subsequent models have completed numerous long-range ocean voyages.

Eric is a purpose-built long-range ocean cruiser. Interior accommodations are spacious and designed for comfort and utility. Unlike most sailboats of the time, Eric features a full head with shower, a 'master cabin' style V-berth forward, a full galley with an icebox, and standing headroom throughout.

William Atkin's Eric is, by all definitions, an ocean-crossing sailboat designed to take between one and four adults just about as far as they want to go. It has all the qualities of an oceangoing sailboat in a compact package, along with excellent seakeeping characteristics.

The primary drawback of this 32-foot Atkin sailboat is maintenance. Most of these hulls were constructed using traditional oak planking, which lasts forever if taken care of but requires skilled maintenance. The planks are caulked using cotton wadding, and they'll need recaulking if the boat stays out of the water for too long and "dries up."

If you're looking for a beautiful and historic liveaboard sailboat with serious offshore cruising capabilities, consider an Atkin Eric 32. Although somewhat rare, examples of this design occasionally pop up for sale on the used market.

5. Pearson 35

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The Pearson 35 crosses the rubicon into the 'big boat' category, as it has everything you'd expect of a large oceangoing sailboat. The vessel also has a unique displacement keel with an additional swing keel at the base.

The Pearson 35 is a roomy sailboat with excellent seakeeping abilities and a large sail plan. It's a typical Bermuda-rigged sloop with a tall mast and the usual sheet and halyard arrangement. As a result, it's fun to sail and easy to handle. It's also a fast boat, making it ideal for longer voyages.

The swing keel certainly doesn't make the Pearson 35 a shoal-draft sailboat. It has a modified full keel which (with the swing keel retracted) draws 3 feet 9 inches. With the additional swing keel down, the draft of the Pearson 35 increases to over 7 feet.

The Pearson 35 is a heavy boat with good sea keeping abilities. It was introduced in 1968, and over 500 units were produced. That makes it one of the more popular sailboats in its class, and plenty of Pearson 35s are still sailing around the United States.

Down below in the cabin, the Pearson 35 is roomy and comfortable. It features a full galley, an enclosed head with a shower and sink, and several berthing areas, including a forward V-berth. Plenty of storage is available throughout the cabin, making the Pearson 35 an excellent choice for living aboard.

There's something empowering about piloting a 35-foot sailboat through rough weather. The size of the boat provides both safety and a sense of security, which can help you keep a clear head during stressful situations at sea. The vessel is beamy as well, making it less likely to heel aggressively and increasing roll comfort in dicey seas.

Overall, the Pearson 35 is an excellent choice for a liveaboard bluewater sailboat. It's a large boat in comparison to the others on this list, and it's known for easy handling and excellent windward performance. The Pearson 35 is a common sailboat that's widely available on the used market.

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Café 28 is a 28 ′ 2 ″ / 8.6 m sailboat designed by Henry Martinak/IME Yachting (FRA) starting in 2008.

Rig and Sails

Auxilary power, accomodations, calculations.

The theoretical maximum speed that a displacement hull can move efficiently through the water is determined by it's waterline length and displacement. It may be unable to reach this speed if the boat is underpowered or heavily loaded, though it may exceed this speed given enough power. Read more.

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Hull Speed = 1.34 x √LWL

Max Speed/Length ratio = 8.26 ÷ Displacement/Length ratio .311 Hull Speed = Max Speed/Length ratio x √LWL

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A measure of the power of the sails relative to the weight of the boat. The higher the number, the higher the performance, but the harder the boat will be to handle. This ratio is a "non-dimensional" value that facilitates comparisons between boats of different types and sizes. Read more.

SA/D = SA ÷ (D ÷ 64) 2/3

• SA : Sail area in square feet, derived by adding the mainsail area to 100% of the foretriangle area (the lateral area above the deck between the mast and the forestay).
• D : Displacement in pounds.

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A measure of the stability of a boat's hull that suggests how well a monohull will stand up to its sails. The ballast displacement ratio indicates how much of the weight of a boat is placed for maximum stability against capsizing and is an indicator of stiffness and resistance to capsize.

Ballast / Displacement * 100

Displacement / Length Ratio

A measure of the weight of the boat relative to it's length at the waterline. The higher a boat’s D/L ratio, the more easily it will carry a load and the more comfortable its motion will be. The lower a boat's ratio is, the less power it takes to drive the boat to its nominal hull speed or beyond. Read more.

D/L = (D ÷ 2240) ÷ (0.01 x LWL)³

• D: Displacement of the boat in pounds.
• LWL: Waterline length in feet

Comfort Ratio

This ratio assess how quickly and abruptly a boat’s hull reacts to waves in a significant seaway, these being the elements of a boat’s motion most likely to cause seasickness. Read more.

Comfort ratio = D ÷ (.65 x (.7 LWL + .3 LOA) x Beam 1.33 )

• D: Displacement of the boat in pounds
• LOA: Length overall in feet
• Beam: Width of boat at the widest point in feet

Capsize Screening Formula

This formula attempts to indicate whether a given boat might be too wide and light to readily right itself after being overturned in extreme conditions. Read more.

CSV = Beam ÷ ³√(D / 64)

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This maximum-size trailer sailer shows the compromises needed to haul a boat on the road.

Lancer Yachts was an offshoot of the remarkably complex and inbred family tree known as California boatbuilding. Lancer principals Dick Valdes and Maury Threinen founded Columbia Yachts back in the late 1950s, built boats under contract for Islander, sold Columbia to Whittaker, and got back into the sailboat business in 1974 by forming Lancer Yachts.

The names that passed through this Columbia connection read like a who’s who of fiberglass boatbuilding. Designer Bruce King was a draftsman for Columbia. Ericson founder Kurt Densmore was a Columbia plant manager, and Frank Butler—owner of Catalina Yachts, probably the biggest sailboat builder in the country—ran the Coronado division of Columbia.

It’s no wonder that many California-built boats from the 1970s bear a strong family resemblance: they’re practically first cousins.

Lancer Yachts built a rather astonishing variety of boats before going out of business in 1986. None of the Lancers can be considered a classic. Rather, the boats were a mirror of their times, and this constant change may have been what finally did in the company.

In 1983 alone, Lancer offered 13 different boats ranging in size from a 25′ trailer sailer to a 65′ motorsailer. The sheer variety of models reduces efficiency in production, and to stay competitive in price, you must shave profit margins closer and closer.

Perhaps the most interesting boats ever produced by Lancer were those in a series of high-performance motorsailers built in the mid-1980s. These boats ranged from the 25′ Powersailer up to the 65′ Motorsailer, and were characterized by huge engines relative to their displacements in an attempt to get both powerboat and sailboat performance out of the same hull. The Powersailer 27, for example, was designed for outboards of up to 200 hp. The 44′ high-performance motorsailer had engine options up to twin 200 hp turbocharged diesels.

The idea was to capture a crossover market which really wanted a powerboat, but felt that sailboats were the way to go due to real or imagined fuel shortages.

Needless to say, these boats had a somewhat limited appeal, and the return of cheap oil spelled their doom.

By comparison, the Lancer 28, built from 1977 to 1985, seems a rather tame and ordinary boat.

Part of the variety in the Lancer line stems from the use of a number of different designers. Most builders use a single designer or design team. Lancer was building designs by Bill Lee, C&C, Bruce Farr, and Shad Turner—all at the same time.

Turner designed both the 25 and 28, the smallest Lancers from 1977 to 1983. Both are shoal-draft fixed-keel trailerables. The 25 and 28 are attractive boats with short ends, flattish sheer, and Swan-type bubble deckhouses.

When the Lancer 28 entered production in 1977, trailer sailers were a hot item. And the more you could cram into a boat that could be towed behind your car, the better the consumer liked it.

Sailing Performance

In a lot of ways, the Lancer 28 is a good study in the compromises that are inherent in creating a relatively big boat that can be lugged around from place to place on a trailer. Sailing performance is one of those compromises.

Small boats get stability either from wide beam or deep, heavy keels. The Lancer 28 has neither.

To keep weight to a level that can be towed behind a car, trailerables such as the Lancer 28 tend to be lighter in weight and more lightly ballasted than boats of the same size designed to be kept in the water rather than taken home at the end of the day. The

Lancer 28’s 44% ballast/displacement ratio may sound high, but the actual amount of ballast—2200 pounds—is fairly low for a 28′ boat. By way of comparison, the Ranger 28, at about the same displacement, has 600 pounds more ballast.

It’s not just the weight of ballast that counts, it’s the location. Because of the Lancer 28’s shoal draft— less than 3’—the ballast cannot be located very far down. A fin keel 28-footer of the same displacement would draw 4′ or more, and have a correspondingly lower center of gravity.

What this means is that the Lancer 28 is tippy. Most owners in our survey consider the boat about average in stability, but in our experience, an “average” rating usually means a fairly tender boat.

The narrow 8′ beam doesn’t help stability, either. In many states 8′ is as wide as you can go without special trailering permits, so you find an awful lot of trailer sailers 8′ wide, no matter what their length.

The fixed keel of the Lancer 28 is a poor shape for windward performance. The keel is a hollow fiberglass box, with the cabin sole dropped down inside it. The keel is much wider than it should be for good performance, and its long, shallow shape does little as an efficient foil.

This is a boat that must be sailed upright. When the boat heels over, there is little to stop it from moving sideways. A centerboard would probably make a dramatic improvement in windward performance, but it was not an option.

Off the wind, performance is substantially better. Owners rate it average to above average in reaching and downwind performance.

The boat was built with both fractional and masthead rigs, with the fractional rig stepped further forward. The fractional boat should be better balanced, and is faster.

The Lancer 28 is no speed demon, with an average PHRF rating of 258 for the masthead version. The fractional rig is about 10 seconds per mile faster. By way of comparison, the Hunter 27 rates about 216, the Ericson 27 about 220, the Ranger 28 about 186, the Catalina 27 about 204. Any of these boats will chew up and spit out the Lancer 28.

You don’t buy this boat for speed. It’s a noncompetitive daysailer and weekend trailer cruiser.

Most Lancers under 30′ were powered by outboards, although inboard engines were frequently options. An inboard engine in the Lancer 28 adds several hundred pounds of weight to a boat that is already near the upper limit for trailering.

While most Lancer 28s have outboards, a number of different inboard engine configurations and models were used over the course of production, including

Petter, Renault and Yanmar diesels; a 10 hp gas inboard; and an OMC saildrive.

If the boat is really to be trailered, an outboard engine is preferable. An outboard can be flushed with fresh water after every cruise in salt water. The outboard and its fuel tank will come in at less than half the weight of any of the inboards. When the time comes to replace the engine, an outboard will cost about half what an inboard will cost, and you don’t have to worry about whether or not it will fit in the boat.

The outboard well in the stern of the Lancer 28 is pretty good. The engine stays in the water even in rough conditions, and the weight isn’t can’tilevered out over the stern to add to pitching moment. We’d be wary of purchasing a boat with a saildrive that has been used in salt water. A lot of owners are less than faithful about flushing out saildrives after each use, yet the innards are as vulnerable to corrosion as an outboard.

Likewise, parts for small diesel inboards are disproportionately expensive, and may be hard to find for any of the engines used in the boat except the Yanmar.

The inboard engine is tucked in a box under the companionway ladder, and owners rate the installation about average for accessibility.

A 10-horse outboard will move this boat along just fine, even in a chop. Take good care of it—flushing with fresh water after use in salt water—and an outboard will easily last for seven or eight years. Neglect it, and your first season may be its last.

Construction

To keep weight down for trailering, construction of the Lancer 28 is fairly light. To keep price down, finish detail is not particularly refined.

In its description of their fleet, Lancer described the 28 as bringing “real ocean-going capability to trailer boating.” We think you’d have to use a lot of imagination to consider this a boat for serious sailing in the ocean: the design and construction are those of a coastal cruiser and daysailer.

With the masthead rig, a compression column in the middle of the main cabin is required for under-deck support; the fractional rig utilizes the forward bulkhead.

Check for compression and stress cracks around either mast step.

The companionway dropboards are light plywood, and the companionway opening has so much taper that the boards can be removed by lifting them only a few inches. This may be convenient and give a lot of ventilation below, but it also means that the dropboards could fall out in a severe knockdown. The sliding companionway hatch is also wide, and not well sealed against boarding waves.

Several owners in our survey comment that the mast tabernacle is not strong enough, and that there is a lot of friction in the system when raising and lowering the mast.

The rig is quite tall—about 31′ above the top of the cabin with the masthead rig, and the fractional rig is taller still—so a lot of care is required in stepping and un-stepping the mast. That’s one trade-off with a maximum-size trailerable boat: you’re getting at the limit for easy rigging and unrigging without a fairly sophisticated tabernacle, which the boat doesn’t have.

Owner complaints about structural flaws include leaking hull-to-deck joints and leaking ports. Finding deck leaks is complicated by the vinyl headliner. Water may find its way along a circuitous route before it deposits itself on your head, and leaks may be next to impossible to trace. Look carefully for signs of drips and discoloration on the vinyl, particularly around every joint in the liner.

In general, there are numerous reports of deck leaks in our surveys. This is fairly common in relatively inexpensive mass-produced boats such as the Lancer 28, but it is a problem that can make your life miserable when cruising.

Although bottom blistering is usually less of a problem with trailerable boats than with boats kept in the water, several owners report blistering or other types of gelcoat flaws, such as crazing or stress cracks.

The Lancer 28 was designed in a time when it was fashionable to jam the maximum number of berths in the shortest possible overall boat length. It is true that there are six berths in the original version of this boat. It is also true that headroom at the aft end of the main cabin is 6′ 2″. However, just as the rooms in tract houses look a lot smaller in the flesh than they look in those wonderful wide-angle architectural photographs, the reality of the interior of the Lancer 28 is a little different from the promise.

Main cabin headroom comes from dropping the cabin sole 1′ into the keel stub. What this means is that you have a very long, narrow section of cabin sole over which there is reasonable headroom. But the effect is a little strange: you feel like you’re standing in a hole.

Frankly, this dropped cabin sole is a pretty mediocre idea. In the galley, where you could use the headroom, it’s not even easy to turn around because the dropped sole is so narrow. You’d be better off sitting on a little folding stool.

Without the dropped sole, headroom would be 5’2″ or so. You would have trouble selling that amount of headroom in a 28-footer, even a trailerable boat.

Forward, there is a narrow double berth with a storage locker below. In 1979, the forepeak berth was replaced in the Mark V version with a sail storage area. There is no provision for ventilation in this space. The bubble-type deckhouse fairs into the foredeck over the forward cabin, so there is reasonable sitting headroom over the berth. Actually, “cabin” is a misnomer: it is really just a berth, separated from the head by a bulkhead.

Just aft of the forward berth, a narrow head compartment spans the width of the boat. It gives you as much privacy as you can get in a trailer boat—which isn’t that much—and has a hatch overhead for ventilation. Some of these boats are equipped with self-contained toilets, while others have more conventional overboard-discharge toilets. Your sailing waters will dictate which arrangement you need.

There are two berths in the main cabin, On the port side is a conventional settee berth. On the starboard side, the dinette table drops to form a fairly wide berth, but don’t let anyone try to tell you it’s a double.

Dinettes don’t really work on narrow boats. You feel like you’re sitting in a narrow booth at the corner drugstore, which is fine if you happen to be a teenager—but not if you’re an adult. In this case, it’s a really tight squeeze for four people to fit into the dinette. On the other hand, it’s great seating for two.

Over the years, Lancer has actually done some pretty inventive things with interiors. Their boats had a California/European crossbred look that was always the talk of boatshow crowds, with wild colors and fabrics.

But the interior of the Lancer 28 is basically Neo-Padded Cell. Almost every surface is covered with either carpeting, upholstery, or padded vinyl.

Lancer isn’t the only builder guilty of this. Early Swans such as the Swan 43 were similarly padded.

It may seem like a good idea—if you get thrown against it you won’t get hurt—but we’ve never cared for the look of padding. Owning a boat is precariously close to insanity in any case: reminders of that when belowdecks are not particularly welcome.

The galley occupies both sides of the aft end of the main cabin, with a two-burner stove and lockers to port, and a sink, icebox and lockers to starboard. It’s quite workable.

Aft, there are quarterberths under both sides of the cockpit. They are very narrow at the foot. Your head and shoulders, however, are not stuffed under the cockpit, so the berths are not claustrophobic, although they are likely to be pretty hot in warm weather.

It’s not realistic to expect a lot of interior room in a hull as narrow as the Lancer 28. But the boat has a relatively long waterline, and the low-profile cabin trunk is also quite long, increasing the feeling of space.

Conclusions

The Lancer 28 is a maximum-size trailerable boat. The weight of about 5000 pounds will require a serious pulling vehicle if anything other than a once yearly trip to and from the launching ramp is planned.

Despite the six berths in the boat, we wouldn’t recommend it for four adults for anything longer than a weekend. For a young family with several children, the Lancer 28 could be seen as a floating camper.

The performance compromises that are a result of the shoal keel, high center of gravity and narrow beam have to be weighed against the fact that you can put the boat behind a big car or truck and take off for cruising areas that you might otherwise never reach with a 28′ boat.

If you really aren’t going to trailer the boat, there are a lot of other boats around 28′ long that will give you better performance and better accommodations. The extra foot or so of beam and ton of displacement that you would get in most non-trailerable 28-footers translates into a lot more usable volume, and in most cases, better performance. At the same time, a Lancer 28 costs less than most 28-footers.

Keeping a boat in a marina or on a mooring can be an expensive proposition. You can greatly reduce your sailing costs by owning a trailerable boat. The problem is that a trailerable as big as the Lancer 28 is a bit of a handful to tow, launch, and rig. You’re not going to hitch it up to the family station wagon after a day at the office and launch it for an evening cruise.

If you need a trailerable boat that can accommodate two adults and several children for relatively short-term cruising, the Lancer 28 makes sense. But don’t expect to get six berths, “full headroom,” shoal draft, and trailerability in a 28′ boat without some fairly substantial compromises.

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Thanks for the information on the Lancer28.My wife and me own a Lancer 28 we took it on a 6 day sail in puget sound and she did just fine had no problems.Handle great than our 23 ft American the 28 would turn on dime no problem on sailing her.

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A man had to be treated by paramedics after a motorboat crashed into a breakwater. An air ambulance landed at Mount Batten this afternoon after the boat dramatically ran aground just metres from where a woman was sitting.

Eyewitnesses say the vessel left Sutton Harbour this afternoon (Tuesday, September 17), appearing to intend to sail around Mount Batten. However, it was later photographed aground at the breakwater.

Plymouth Coastguard Rescue Team and the RNLI were called to the incident at around 2.50pm today. A spokesperson for HM Coastguard told PlymouthLive that a vessel was reported to have run aground at the Mount Batten breakwater.

An eyewitness said he and his wife saw the motorboat heading out of Sutton Harbour through the turntable bridge. "From there it was heading towards Mount Batten breakwater, presumably to go past it, to head on out," they said.

"After a couple of minutes a pilot boat tied up and two guys got off, jumped into a twin engine boat and with great haste, went chasing off in the same direction. By the time we walked up to Dutton's Cafe, the motor boat was already on the rocks."

Another witness said: "My daughter has just witnessed a boat crash into the rocks four meters away from her."

South Western Ambulance Service vehicles were seen in the area and video footage also shows a helicopter from Devon Air Ambulance landing. One man was taken into the care of paramedics, but it is unclear if he was then taken to hospital.

A spokesperson for HM Coastguard said: "HM Coastguard coordinated the response to a motor vessel reported to have gone aground at the Mount Batten breakwater, Plymouth, at about 2.50pm on 17 September.

"The vessel was moved to a pontoon where the man was taken into the care of the South Western Ambulance Service. Plymouth Coastguard Rescue Team and the RNLI's inshore lifeboat from Plymouth attended."

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I think one of the guys that's a regular on this forum owns one... maybe Jeff H??? not sure though.  

This is similar in concept to the J-32 - It was part of JBoat's early foray into the cruiser market. I really like the 32, but they are rather pricey as a rule. I expect this would be much like that.. somewhat overpriced but a nice, solid cruiser with a good turn of speed. Don't be so hasty to dismiss the larger wheel.. sitting outboard with the wheel easy to reach makes a lot of sense for visibility and steering in waves, and it also provides an extra bit of leverage with things load up.. If you buy it and want to swap I've got a 32" wheel we can talk about..  

Faster said: This is similar in concept to the J-32 - It was part of JBoat's early foray into the cruiser market. I really like the 32, but they are rather pricey as a rule. I expect this would be much like that.. somewhat overpriced but a nice, solid cruiser with a good turn of speed. Don't be so hasty to dismiss the larger wheel.. sitting outboard with the wheel easy to reach makes a lot of sense for visibility and steering in waves, and it also provides an extra bit of leverage with things load up.. If you buy it and want to swap I've got a 32" wheel we can talk about.. Click to expand...

A 20 year old balsa core hull would concern me also.  

I was just looking at the pricing of the J28 on yacht world. I agree with you kind of pricey. If you are looking for a 20 year old boat that you can use on the lake, i can think of few in that price range that i think would serve you better as weekender. A 28ft'er can get small for 2 or more people on weekends when the weather keeps you in the cabin. I justed picked one out on yacht world as an example. 1987 Pearson 31-2 Sail Boat For Sale - www.yachtworld.com =  

Cored hull These were done for strength and lightness I believe. Cored hull is fine so long as the core is dry and hull not delaminated. I believe a survey with boat out of the water could easily detect these problems. J boats tend to have areas of hull not cored near centerline for thru hulls, etc... which makes water intrusion into core less of an issue. J boats usually have cored deck..Deck and coachroof have a LOT of holes for fittings, etc... which are great paths for water to follow to soak into core. While deck recoring is not nearly the work of hull recoring and not nearly the issue it is where I suspect you would have more problems in this 20 year old boat. If you like the boat make the offer subject to survey and have the surveyor check for wet deck and hull. If these areas check out as fine then you will have a great boat that sails very well. Mike  

Mike I agree with every thing you said. I will say I am a belt and suspenders sort of guy. Neither gel coat or fiberglass is imperious to water intrusion. I know all about barrier coats. But one good bang against a dock during a storm when you are not there, can spider crack the gel coat and start a path way to the core. If I was not a racer, it is one less thing to worry about. A boat is a major investment for most people. I feel a balsa cored hull is an investment risk. For a weekend cruiser that is left in the water all season long the J28 would not be my boat of choice. But if I want to go fast and could dry sail it I might be looking at the J28.  

It has been my experance with Jboats that when they are HIT in a race the core is so STIFF it punches a nice allmost round hole with very local dammage Compared to other styles of glass that may spread the dammage out over a much bigger area  

Is that a good thing? Isn't the intention of long fibers in the matrix to spread the stress/strain and prevent a hull failure? I'd rather smack a submerged piling and limp back with $2,000 in future glass work waiting at the yard than be submerged beside the piling with $200 in glass work and $12,000 in ruined equipment and gear.  

Delirious said: Is that a good thing? Isn't the intention of long fibers in the matrix to spread the stress/strain and prevent a hull failure? I'd rather smack a submerged piling and limp back with $2,000 in future glass work waiting at the yard than be submerged beside the piling with $200 in glass work and $12,000 in ruined equipment and gear. Click to expand...

Is it good well It does not JUST POP a hole from a minor wack The racing holes i have seen took took a hit in the beam from the pointy SS forestay bracket and resulted in no boat dammage other than the area of the inpact  

eMKay said: They only made 71 of them ('86 to '88) Nice sailplan, not ideal interior but the V-berth looks usable, cool cockpit, is the 40" wheel really necessary? Could it be swapped out for say a 28" wheel? Should I add this boat to my list? Cored hull worries me... J/28's are great boats! The V-berth is massive for a 28 footer, and since they dont try to fit sleeping for 7 into 28', the rest of the boat is well laid out. There is a pull-out berth under the settee that makes a nice double for the occasional guest, a decent galley, and the folding table opens the salon up very nicely. Keep the 40" wheel until you decide you dont like it, and yes other wheels fit. It is a 1" straight bore wheel. Steering from the lifelines comfortably is really nice. I have had a J/37 and now a J/34c and they both have the same cockpit layout the 28 has, and they are really nice for short-handed sailing. We have one sailing in our fleet and he always finishes well on the race course. I am not going to say dont worry about cored hulls, but with a good survey and moisture check, you should be able to abvoid problems. If you would like to hook up with a 28 owner, PM me and I will try to get you an email address so you can swap notes. Later........... DD Click to expand...

j34035 said: eMKay said: They only made 71 of them ('86 to '88) Nice sailplan, not ideal interior but the V-berth looks usable, cool cockpit, is the 40" wheel really necessary? Could it be swapped out for say a 28" wheel? Should I add this boat to my list? Cored hull worries me... J/28's are great boats! The V-berth is massive for a 28 footer, and since they dont try to fit sleeping for 7 into 28', the rest of the boat is well laid out. There is a pull-out berth under the settee that makes a nice double for the occasional guest, a decent galley, and the folding table opens the salon up very nicely. Keep the 40" wheel until you decide you dont like it, and yes other wheels fit. It is a 1" straight bore wheel. Steering from the lifelines comfortably is really nice. I have had a J/37 and now a J/34c and they both have the same cockpit layout the 28 has, and they are really nice for short-handed sailing. We have one sailing in our fleet and he always finishes well on the race course. I am not going to say dont worry about cored hulls, but with a good survey and moisture check, you should be able to abvoid problems. If you would like to hook up with a 28 owner, PM me and I will try to get you an email address so you can swap notes. Later........... DD Click to expand...

Tillitson-Pearson did not bother sealing the core where cutting through for fittings. This means that only meticulously maintained boats can be expected to have dry core as they get wet from the outside and severe leaks does not happen after the core is quite wet around the fitting. I check all fittings that show moisture immediately, even when it only looks like condensation on my '86 Freedom 21 (same builder). That is the only way to be sure. A racing outfitted boat of the same age as mine may needs 10-15 items re-seated each season.  

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I agree with you. People get their panties in a great big-o wad (I like that measurement!) over stuff that while is not baseless, is overblown. All boats have potential problems, that is why you get GOOD surveyors to evaluate before you buy. Personnaly, I'm pretty impressed with the long-term durability of both the J/boats I have owned. The only real problem I have had is leaking chainplates, but that is not that big of a project to fix, especially if you have the mast out for transport. I do also agree you should check and fix fasteners and penetrations to the deck anytime you are suspicious of a leak. DD BTW, those are great articles about Pearson!!  

A good choice.... As with any 20 year cored hull, you'd benefit from a thorough survey to rule out any problems. Remember, cored = light weight, which may be important to you depending where you do your boating and the wind conditions. In the Chespeake, the summer winds can be light and a lighter boat is more easily driven. YMMV. You didn't tell us what your sailing requirements or what other boats are on your shopping list. As the owner of J/28 #69, I can tell you that it is one of the best layouts and one of the roomiest 28 footers I have been on. I particularly enjoy the aft head location and the galley is adequate for most. The forward V-berth is 6ft+ and the space includes room for dressing, a hanging locker and storage cabinents on opposite sides. Modeled after the J/40, the best interior feature is the bulkhead mounted table, which folds down and expands with a hinged leaf. The port settee pulls out to a double. Interior storage is adequate, but not huge. Two cockpit lockers do provide plently of room and access. Sailing performance is excellent, with a large main and fractional rig. I typicall can sail at a little more than 1/2 the apparent wind with <10 knts true. My boat has the 5' std draft fin keel. I single hand 80% of the time and with the primary sail controls in the cockpit....life is good...easy to depower in the puffs. Pricing for the J/28s on the market are fairly stable. With only 71 hulls and the "J/ Premium", I think 35-45k is reasonable for a well cared example. There are alot of less expensive options, but would not hesitate to buy my 28 again at that price. Let me know if you want more info, or a few other pics.  

jason3317 said: As with any 20 year cored hull, you'd benefit from a thorough survey to rule out any problems. Remember, cored = light weight, which may be important to you depending where you do your boating and the wind conditions. In the Chespeake, the summer winds can be light and a lighter boat is more easily driven. YMMV. You didn't tell us what your sailing requirements or what other boats are on your shopping list. As the owner of J/28 #69, I can tell you that it is one of the best layouts and one of the roomiest 28 footers I have been on. I particularly enjoy the aft head location and the galley is adequate for most. The forward V-berth is 6ft+ and the space includes room for dressing, a hanging locker and storage cabinents on opposite sides. Modeled after the J/40, the best interior feature is the bulkhead mounted table, which folds down and expands with a hinged leaf. The port settee pulls out to a double. Interior storage is adequate, but not huge. Two cockpit lockers do provide plently of room and access. Sailing performance is excellent, with a large main and fractional rig. I typicall can sail at a little more than 1/2 the apparent wind with <10 knts true. My boat has the 5' std draft fin keel. I single hand 80% of the time and with the primary sail controls in the cockpit....life is good...easy to depower in the puffs. Pricing for the J/28s on the market are fairly stable. With only 71 hulls and the "J/ Premium", I think 35-45k is reasonable for a well cared example. There are alot of less expensive options, but would not hesitate to buy my 28 again at that price. Let me know if you want more info, or a few other pics. Click to expand...

There's a lot to like about this design and Jason, as an owner, has given a nice review of the boat. I've always admired the J-28 package as a whole. I have often wondered why it didn't get the "C" designation, as it seemed geared more toward cruiser/racer than racer/cruiser. A couple aspects about the design that I don't especially care for: - Yes, it is relatively roomy, but the absence of any quarter berth is a disappointment. Compare this boat to the Beneteau 285, which has an enclosed aft double quarter berth. For family sailing, you'll miss the extra bunk. For singles/couples, maybe not. - The signature J-cockpit. I have never warmed up to the standard J-boats cockpit design, which leaves the helmsman sitting on the coaming outside the cockpit. In other words, there is no dedicated cockpit seating aft the helm, just deck. Love it or hate it, I guess. Aside from these quibbles, though, the J-28 represents a good alternative to the pricier J-32.  

Best Stability ...The J/28 is designed to perform with two people sitting in the cockpit, sailing to windward in 20 knots of wind. In fact, J/28 may be the fastest 28-footer in the world in those conditions. How? Well, if you don't have 6 gorillas on the rail (which you don't when cruising), you'd better have a HEAVY KEEL. J/28's 3,000-lb keel is lead, not iron. Click to expand...

The list of prospectives.... I agree with Dog that the quality of the Pearsons mentioned and the J/28 are probably similar. Reading through the other thread, there seems to be a healthy mix of both entry level production boats (Hunter, Bene, Catalina) and models that were production, but produced in lower numbers (Js and Sabre and Tartan). It's my opinion, that there is a significant difference in quality of these two segments in terms of how they were designed, built and, more importantly, equipped. The age of the boats you're considering probably exacerbates those points. I make this point since your put quality/appearance/comfort above performance. But, I encourage you not to discount performance too much...a boat that is an underacheiver under sail....is just that. If the Hunter 27 is the top candidate at $40k, you were absolutely on the right track asking for opinions on the older Js and Sabres of equivalent sizes. With your timeframe....plently of time to continue the discovery and evaluation process.  

Most J's have balsa cored hull, are the decks also balsa core on the J/28? I am assuming they are.  

Yes, the hull and deck are cored. JS  

I think all J/28 were sold with alcohol stoves, has any one out there with a J/28 converted to LPG? My preference is for LPG (propane) and wonder how difficult is it to put in the required locker that vents outside. Garry  

Anyone familiar with a J/28, I have a few questions... What are the sailing characteristics of the J/28? What does it sail like in light,medium and strong winds? What is it like in open water with large waves? How do you like the interior layout / deck layout? I am considering a boat in the 28 to 30 foot range and the J/28 is at the top of my list. But as far at 28 footers go, they are also at the top end of the price category in the $30-$40 K range (and used J/28's are 20 years old). When I look at prices of boats on Yachtworld.com I can see a good range of boats in the $30-$40 K range that are 30-33 feet LOA. This makes me wonder if a J/28 is the best choice - do I continue to think about a nice 28 footer at the top of the price/size range, or should I look at something 2-4 foot bigger? Garry  

The Jboats sail well IF you like that kind of boat (race/cruise) compared to the other end of the spectrum of a full keel bluewater boat They cost more now because they cost more then compared to some other boats and there are other boats in this size that cost even more if you keep going up in quality  

Kinda late getting here but, I have hull #11 J28 and love it. I agree with jason, This is a sweet and easy boat to sail and race. My usual set-up is a basic main and 135% jib and the boat handle up to 20 knots with out a reef. Late last year I put up a 105% jib and the boat sailed even better. Cockpit layout is great and I single hand most of the time. (my wife likes to sit on the boat but doesn't want to sail.) All my lines come back to the cockpit. I do miss the quarterberth sometimes but the lazertte storage is un beatable. The v berth is plenty big for two and the with the table up in the main salon theres a good amount of space. I'll cruised/raced many a three day weekends with two other guys and not been uncomfortable. (I Get the v-berth.) I keep saying I want a bigger boat,, that's frequently followed by why? John W.  

jfdubu said: Kinda late getting here but, I have hull #11 J28 and love it. I agree with jason, This is a sweet and easy boat to sail and race. My usual set-up is a basic main and 135% jib and the boat handle up to 20 knots with out a reef. Late last year I put up a 105% jib and the boat sailed even better. Cockpit layout is great and I single hand most of the time. (my wife likes to sit on the boat but doesn't want to sail.) All my lines come back to the cockpit. I do miss the quarterberth sometimes but the lazertte storage is un beatable. The v berth is plenty big for two and the with the table up in the main salon theres a good amount of space. I'll cruised/raced many a three day weekends with two other guys and not been uncomfortable. (I Get the v-berth.) I keep saying I want a bigger boat,, that's frequently followed by why? John W. Click to expand...

Another J/28 owner I'm even later to the party, as the owner of J/28 hull #29. I bought my boat at the end of last season and have not yet sailed it, so I can't contribute too much. I do know that the build quality is quite good. My boat, at least, has held up extremely well. The interior seems quite workable for a cruising couple. There IS decent seating behind the wheel. In fact, there's a cushion-shaped indentation there, and the boats were delivered with a special firm cushion intended to give the helmsman a bit of a perch -- at least the other J/28 I looked at (before buying mine) had a cushion like that. The cushion for my boat has been lost, and I'm going to get one made. Can't wait for the season to give "Ruffian" a good go. We'll sail out of Rockland, on the Maine coast.  

LennyR said: I'm even later to the party, as the owner of J/28 hull #29. I bought my boat at the end of last season and have not yet sailed it, so I can't contribute too much. I do know that the build quality is quite good. My boat, at least, has held up extremely well. The interior seems quite workable for a cruising couple. There IS decent seating behind the wheel. In fact, there's a cushion-shaped indentation there, and the boats were delivered with a special firm cushion intended to give the helmsman a bit of a perch -- at least the other J/28 I looked at (before buying mine) had a cushion like that. The cushion for my boat has been lost, and I'm going to get one made. Can't wait for the season to give "Ruffian" a good go. We'll sail out of Rockland, on the Maine coast. Click to expand...

If you haven't already purchased your boat then let me tell my opinions about the J-28. I own hull 71 and have so for 12 years. It is a great boat and plenty big enough even for extended cruises so long as you aren't sailing with more than 2 other people. I have comfortably gone for 3 week cruises with 3 of us aboard and while we may have been more comfortable on a larger boat I don't think the difference would be enough to offset the additional maintenance time/costs required. There is quite a bit of storage for a 28 foot boat. The cockpit lockers are cavernous and can benefit from some dividers/removable/sliding shelves to prevent things from just piling up in them. There is a fair bit of storage behind the setees and in the galley. The head is quite large for a 28 footer and since it is at the bottom of the companionway it is also very convinient to get to from the cockpit and keeps the rest of the cabin dry if you are sailing in the rain and go below to use it. The boat sails like a dream. It handles heavy weather well, as an example I have flown the spinnaker for an extended period in 25 knots of wind and 8.5 knots of boat speed with out ever feeling like I was on the edge of a wipe out. It also keeps moving well in light weather, although once the apparent wind is between 150-180 degrees and below 8 knots or so you really need the spinnaker to keep moving well. The 40" wheel is great, I wouldn't go smaller. It allows you to brace your foot against the binnacle, comfortably reach the wheel and sit well out to weather while going upwind. The cockpit layout is fantastic for short handed or even single handed sailing with the main and jib sheets within easy reach of the wheel. Another boon for shorthanded sailing on this boat is the fact that the standard primary winches are self tailing. The only problem area I have had with the core has been were the chainplates go through the deck. These move enough that it is very hard to seal and the core is exposed. It is a problem area on all J-boats of that era. The damage to the core in this location has been very localized to this location since, contrary to popular belief, water will not move horizontally across a balsa core UNLESS the core is delaminated from the fiberglass. A good survey should tell you what the problems are. To sum up, I think the J-28 is as close to the perfect boat for me. I highly recommend it.  

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What is the best 28 ft for the money

• Thread starter Gordon Shadburne
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Gordon Shadburne

I am looking for the best- family (not racing) sailboat 28 ft (or so) for 10,000-13,000Now live in Portland,Or. will be moving to Pudget Sound- WA.area. Want it safe!,big cabin (wife has some kneee problems) good mataince record. Am missionary to Native Americans ( www.warriorsforchristonline.org ) so limited in funds-Need your input- thanksGordon/WFCps now only have a 14 ft C-lark/ sail it sence 1970-  

mike C16582

i'm biased, but.......... As I said, I'm biased, but if you can find an O"day 28 I think you'll be happy. However, $10,000-$13,000 is cutting it close. AS a matter of fact, there's an O"Day 28 for sale right now in Portland Or. for $12,900 (I'm sure the price is negotiable)here's the link for it..........http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listing/pl_boat_detail.jsp?currency=USD&units=Feet&checked_boats=1309615&slim=quick&  

Newport 28 Hello,Mike own's and likes O'day, I own and like Newport. Newport's were made in California, so lots should be available on the west cost.Compared to O'day, the Newport has a double berth in the cabin (the port sette slides out). Also, all Newport come with the traveler mounted on top of the companionway. Most Newports come with hot water, fresh water cooled diesel, and some other things as well.As far as I can tell, both the Newport and the O'day are good boats. Good luck,Barry  

John Dawson

Cal 29 or 27 probably fall into this price range, and less if needing work. Large cabins, good performance, good reputation.  

Hunter 27 for two The Hunter 27 built from 75-84 to a design by John Cherubini is just the right size for a couple. It's a seaworthy design, with 6 feet of headroom in the cabin. The bench seats in the cabin make very comfortable bunks (easily reached by stiff knees.) The ride is comfortable in a seaway, and the cockpit is comfortable, with good back support. Ours was easily rigged for single handing, so the Admiral does not need to go on deck.And the price is right - $9,000 to $12,000 will get you going. (Ours '77 cost $9,000 and was ready to sail.) At your size and price parameters, you will end up with a "good old boat" and the associated maintenance work. Do get a survey to be sure you are not buying a project, and enjoy cruising!DavidLady Lillie  

Pearson 26-28 I learned how to sail at the boston harbor sailing club where they have a fleet of pearson 26 and 28's. The members sail these boats in all kinds of new england weather through a busy harbor and scatterred islands. They are built tough sail between 5 and 6 knots, have thick fiberglass hulls and seldom break down.  

Go for a Catalina 27 *! I realize the Catalina 27 isn't a 28 footer, but I think it would be a good match for your needs. They are plentiful, within your price range, have a large cockpit, seaworthy, and have nice sailing characteristics.If you could spend the extra $5K, the O'Day 28 is a better boat - faster (but can pound), and very well finished.Having owned both boats, if price is the biggest constraint, go with the C27.-Mark  

Stu Jackson

Augie byllott.

Comfortable boat for a couple Is there anything compelling about 28'?I recently sold a 1978 Catalina 30 after enjoying it for 15 years. Those additional two feet move the comfort level light years above the Catalina 27 owned by one of my friends. The cabin fever that one may experience on a smaller boat vanishes on the C30. A larger head, vee berth, saloon, dinette, and cockpit make a world of difference where a woman's comfort is concerned.With more than seven thousand having been built, there are always hundreds of C30s on the market. With a little horse trading and jawboning, you might be able to find one in your price range.It's worth a try.If anything, I believe that a C30 is easier to sail than a C27.  

Thanks for your response Thanks for your comments. Condsidering they aren't making them anymore, do you think there are problems getting parts for the Newports?I have read that the O'day stiffens in higher winds and is more forgiving when you get into troubling times. How would compare the Newport as far as safety and structural quailty and durability?  

Newport Info Hello,A great site for Newport Info is here:http://webhost.sailnet.com/newport/index.htmlRegarding parts availability, one thing I have learned is that most parts on a sailboat don't come from the original manufacturer. For example, the engine is from Universal diesel, the steering is Edson, the winches are Lewmar, the headsail roller furler is Profurl, the bilge pump is rule, the .....What did come from from the manufacturer you can now get from the aftermarket. O'day, Pearson, CnC (for a while anyway) all went out of busines. Hunter and Catalina are still in business, but I don't think you can still buy a rudder or something like that for a Catalina 27.Good luck,Barry  

Pearson 28 HI Gordon,Don't rule out the Pearson 28. The models made before 1982 can be found quite reasonably. This boat was built very well, is strong, safe, roomy and very easy and fun to sail. We owned one for 4 years and loved it. You can get one in the price range you mention. Go to yachtworld and check them out.Joanie  

Hunter 28.5 We have an '88 model. VERY well built, no blister problems. Taken her on 3-week trips on Lake Michigan covering some 600 miles total. Have been in all kinds of weather with her and she's always brought us home safely. I often single-hand her as well.  

Hunter 28.5, Pt II I, too, own a Hunter 28.5 (1986 model). While I think Hunter packed a lot of value into this model boat, I don't think you could find one in very good condition for your price range. I do think you could find one for just a bit more (say around $15k), but you'd probably have to put some work into it and perhaps buy some new sails. I personally believe that the 28.5 is a great boat for single-handling, coastal or river/lake cruising with a small family in a semi-protected environment, or similar sailing. But in the price range you mention, most of the listed 28 or so footers are going to be in the 1978-1982 or so age group. Any boat that is 25 or so years old needs to be VERY carefully inspected, by you and a professional surveyor as it could be subject to a number of conditions that could be expensive or prohibitive to repair. In the interim, you may want to take a look at Don Casey's book "Inspecting The Aging Sailboat." It will give you a better sense of how to evaluate some of the candidate boats you may look at. It's a buyer beware world out there....  

Gordon, The best 28 is a Catalina 28 and because of that they are very expensive. The next best and most boat for the money is a Hunter 28... not a Hunter 28.5. The Pearson 28 is the next best followed by the Hunter 28.5.The main reason for the rating is the walk through swim platform offer by both the Catalina 28 and the Hunter 28! Great for the family getting on and off the boat and into the water. The construction of the Catalina is better than the Hunter. The Pearson construction is also better than Hunter. I own a Hunter 28 and love the boat! I took a long time reviewing which boat to buy. Everyone will tell you they love thier boat. I do too but a Catalina is better!  

This thread could go on for ever We all bought our current boat for one reason or another price,walk through transomes,loyalty to the brand and so on and we all could come up with reason's as to why. So asking a question like the best 28 footer for the money and you will get a different answer from each of us. So it is not really a fair question to ask because your best 28 footer for the money may not be mine. Taken in what your needs are all the boats mentioned would work. They are all great boats and have ther good and bad. But it all comes down to YOU and the $$$. Keep in mind that in this price range you will be buying a 30 year + boat. That will need upgrades and might have a gas engine or an out board. Look for the right deal and keep in mind the survey could eat up 5% of your boat money. So it is tough to say which boat is the best for you and your needs. Also keep in mind that your wife will need to climb all over the boat and up and down into the cabin bad knees and all. So a boat with wide side deck's might be a consideration over a boat with narrow side decks. Plus the climbing of the steps of 5 or 6 steps to get down below. It will really comne down to looking at allot of boat's and seeing which boat fit's the needs. Your price range will limit you and might force you into buying a older boat than maybe you had thought and also throw in the location. Boats on the West Coast seem to bring more for the same boat on the East Coast. Cliff  

Finding and buying your boat Having contributed my 2 cents on our own model, here is my recommendation on how to buy a boat:In your price and size range, you are loooking for a "good old boat." Many of us own these great models from the 70's and early 80's. In general, they have great cruising designs, overbuilt hulls (because this was before anyone really understood fiberglass), and may involve some maintenance. (Although we sailed Lady Lillie through her first summer, 500 miles, and 22 nights on board as we bought her.)Look at lots of boats in your price range. This will be the hardest part for your wife's knees, but after a while you will settle on a few designs you like, and you can look without her until you find the one you want. Lay down in all the berths you might use. Sit in the cockpit. Stand in the galley, and go through the motions of preparing food and washing dishes. Sit on the head. Go forward from sitting in the cockpit along the decks to the bow. Don't worry about the model, you will figure out which ones you like. Consider using a local agent who is supportive of your wishes (not trying to seelyou up to a higher price,) and can arrange to get you on a lot of boats.Buy one of the good books on this site that describe how to buy a cruising sailboat. Read the reviews on this website. 28 footers were not commonly built in the '74-'85 range you need for your price, so look at the 27 and 30 footers. The boats for sale on this and other sites can get you started, and help you understand pricing.Find _your_ surveyer. Ask other sailers who is the most competent and trustworthy in your area. This is imporatnt because a good survey allows you to understand 80% to 90% of the maintenance you will be doing in the first years of boat ownership. You contract must include the survey, and your right to walk away or negotiate a price reduction based on the survey results.Take your time. Many boats will come on the market in the next six months, and you can find the one with just the characteristics you want and like.Our search took about 6 weeks during which we climbed into about 10 boats on the hard (and in the ice and snow.) We came down to a choice between a Catalina 30 at $18,000, and a Hunter 27 at $9,000. We checked with the marina near our house, and they said that the 5 1/2 foot draft of the Catalina was too deep for the marina. We bought the '77 Hunter 27, and have loved her.The cabin has headroom to 6 feet. The diesel will drive us all day through calm seas, but is a little small if we are bucking wind and waves (something we try always to plan, or wait around.) There is plenty of room and comfort for the Admiral and me. We sleep in the v-berth, where 5' 11" and 5' 8" means that we play footsie occasionally, but are both very comfortable. The bench berths in the main cabin easily and confortably accommodate my two brothers who go a large 6' 2". The accommodations are ideal for me and my wife. We have spent two weeks on her, and could easily go a month. Although tight and familiar, my Dad, brothers and I have cruised a week on her, and we are quite comfortable. I believe that we would have been just as happy on the Catalina 30, but shoal draft is a real value for some of the ports, and anchorages of Lake Erie when the water is low. I really don't believe there is any clear choice of one model. Any of those mentioned so far (and a number of others) could be your boat.Your boat is out there, near you. Educate yourself, and invest in climbing aboard enough to find the fit for you. If the workmanship is good enough to last 20 to 30 years, and pass your survey, you don't have to worry about your time on her. Do it, you will love the joys of cruising - anyway, we do.DavidLady Lillie  

Plan for incidental costs If your budget is tight, look out for the costs that you may have in getting your boat to its new home and making it yours. In addition to the survey and cost of a sea trial (we paid for a marina worker to sail the boat at the sea trial), we paid to have the mast taken down, truck to our lake, put the mast up. Altogether, it was about $1,800 with survey and sea trial included.We bought a 27' Starwind (1984) and then put another $1,400 into re-upholstering everything, including new foam for all cushions. Then I needed to replace a halyard and a main sheet, buy new dock lines and hardware for the slip, another $400 at West Marine for stuff, new sails maybe next year ... you get the picture.We looked at about 8 boats over a couple weeks and we were anxious to find one before the summer ran away from us this year. We noticed a big difference in the comfort factor between the Cal 2-27 and our boat compared to the others which were all 26' or less. So you are certainly looking for the right size.You can put a lot of emphasis on all the practical elements of a boat, but for me, it mainly comes down to how does she make you feel to look at her for the first time (and every other time thereafter). Everytime I look at her, I'm happy with what we bought. I don't think you can be happy with a boat if you don't feel that emotion. Then, you just better be prepared emotionally to walk away if the survey reveals problems that you're not prepared financially to overcome.My wife and I had that feeling for 2 boats ... first for the Cal, which slipped away because we didn't make an offer quick enough. We looked longingly at ads for a few Catalinas that were just out of reach for what we wanted to spend on our first boat.Luckily, I think we are very happy with the Starwind because it has many features and layout differences that make it a better boat for us.Take a good look around, use as much time as you need ... when you find her, you'll know it!  

Seafarer I have 2 Seafarer 30 footers. They were designed by McCurdy and Rhodes in 1978. Its a VERY safe, heavy duty and large for its length boat. There is a very good and active forum for these (one reason I bought one).I want to sell one (I bought the 2nd one for the trailer it was on and the 9 sails that came with it as well as having a back up in case I needed anything).The boat was one of the few to survive Ivan intact, and with no damage to it (except rubrail scuffing). The owners group had a mould made for the rubrail, so a new one is available inexpensively.It has a 23 hp Volvo 2 cylinder diesel that has 360+ or- hours, and looks almost new(the engine and tranny).The baot needs a good cleanup (from being stored and unused) recover upholstery, varnish brightwork, etc and the installation of the engine (i would do for additional cash).I want $4500.00 for it, as is.Look at yachtworld for Seafarer Swiftsure 30. Also compare hullspeed, quality of construction, and owners comments. This is a GREAT deal and very safe if you don't mind cleaning a little and upholstering it to your wifes tastes.let me know if interested.Tommy[email protected]  

What about the Columbia 8.3? Any reason the Columbia 8.3 wasn't mentioned? This appears to be a well built cruiser/club racer that should be in the price range.  

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O'day 28

The o'day 28 is a 28.25ft masthead sloop designed by c. raymond hunt assoc. and built in fiberglass by o'day corp. between 1978 and 1986., 507 units have been built..

The O'day 28 is a moderate weight sailboat which is slightly under powered. It is stable / stiff and has a low righting capability if capsized. It is best suited as a coastal cruiser. The fuel capacity is originally very small. There is a very short water supply range.

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Year: 1979 Price:

Make: ODay Model: 28

LOA: 28.3 Beam: 10.3

LWL: 22.9 Draft: 4.5

Ballast: 2725 Lbs Displacement: 7300 Lbs

Rig and Sails:

This boat is a Sloop with a Mast-head Rig, and 370 sq. feet of sail area. She has 2 Sails, Including Main Sail, Genoa.

She has a Fin-keel. The Hull is Original Gel-coat, and is in Buffed and Waxed condition.

1 Yanmar 2GM20 Diesel Engine, 14 horse power with Hours.

Roller-furling, Dodger, Bimini-top, Mainsail cover, Auto-Pilot, Edson Pedestal and helm, Teak Cockpit Table, Automatic Bilge-pump, Hot/ Cold Shower, Stove, Refrigerator. Spreader lights. Anchor, gear and equipment.

Time to move up in boat size. Because this O'Day 28 is the perfect next step for the Long Island Sound Cruiser looking to sail further, faster, and more comfortably. That means a spacious interior, efficient deck-layout, and a balanced rig are what makes this O’Day 28 the best cruising sailboat in 28 feet. Designed by famed and accomplished John Deknatel at C. Raymond Hunt Associates, this O’Day 28 is built to be the most spacious and accommodating 28 foot sailboat on the market. Because of her slender lines and beamier cabin, she can have you feeling at home like no other sailboat in her class. There are many subtle pro’s over other 28 footers here. Her anodized mast and boom, airfoil spreaders, and molded-in nonskid deck are just some of the features you will find aboard the O’Day 28. Down below the amount of cabin space is astounding. Because this boat includes all the amenities of a 30 footer, that means a full galley, head, double quarter-berth, fold out double berth in the main salon, fold down dinette, and fully functional v-berth. She has hot/cold pressurized water, shower and refrigerator. She powers through the weather with her two-cylinder Yanmar Diesel Engine. Because her SD-20 Saildrive will keep her going in tough conditions. With her Edson wheel-helm, you can rely on her to steer any passage. On deck she has all the upgrades you need to cruise. You will always feel comfortable in her cockpit because of her dodger and full size bimini. That means never having to get wet from an over washing wave, or ever being beaten down by the sun on an intensely hot summer day. Her spreader lights will brighten up the deck for you when it gets too dark out. Her 130% Genoa Roller-furling is more than enough to get her going in light winds. If you have been looking for the perfect boat under 30 feet, then look no further than this O'Day 28. Because you will never question the impeccable design of your vessel. She sits on the hard, ready to be launched on City Island.

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