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- Wave-piercing catamarans
The hulls in a catamaran with a SWATH configuration are typically submerged. That means they’re less affected by ocean waves , which is great for stability when sailing in rough waters. In the recent past, SWATH configurations have been used on research vessels and rescue ships. Their wave-piercing counterparts, on the other hand, have low-buoyancy bows fitted on the twin hulls. The bows allow the hulls to puncture ocean waves instead of riding over them, making catamarans with such a design faster on rough waters than SWATH cats. In the recent past, wave-piercing cat designs have been used on passenger ferries, military vessels, and yachts. The Lowdown on TrimaransAlso known as a double-outrigger, a trimaran is a type of multihull boat with one main hull flanked by two smaller “floats” (technically known as outrigger hulls) connected to the larger hull by lateral beams. Such a design makes trimarans incredibly stable, meaning they’re hard to capsize even in the roughest of waters. The earliest forms of trimarans can be traced to the Austronesian people and are still the most common hull design you’ll find on traditional fishing boats in Maritime Southeast Asia. The majority of today’s double outriggers are yachts meant for racing and recreation, but some warships and ferries have this design. The Differences Between Catamarans and Trimarans The most apparent physical distinction between a catamaran and a trimaran is that it has three hulls instead of two. But other than that, are there other differences between the two vessel types you need to know? Do those differences make one type better than the other? To find out, let’s compare the two types of multihulls based on the following merits: Comfort and AccommodationA Cat’s geometry is ideal for comfort and accommodation. The two load-bearing hulls provide additional habitable space, and you can always create a sizable nacelle between them. Connected to this central living space is a large cockpit, and there are cabins on either end of the hulls. This arrangement is perfect when you’re looking to relax a bit as the party rages on in the saloon because it gives you a bit of privacy. And with flybridges virtually standard on modern catamarans, you have extra space for entertainment and lounging. The deck area is safe for kids, and the fact that catamarans don’t heel much means that you can do things like cooking at ease. Also worth mentioning is that cats can carry a decent load, meaning you can stock up on food and gear when going away for an extended period. While trimarans do provide a decent degree of livability, they fall short of catamarans in two regards. First, they heel more than cats, making it difficult to do things like cooking on board. Second, they support much less load than catamarans. To put things into perspective, some 45 feet (14 meters). Cats can carry nearly three tons of payloads, whereas similarly sized trimarans can barely support half that load. Overall, catamarans provide better, more comfortable accommodation than trimarans. One of the main concerns when choosing any water vessel is how easy it’ll capsize in the event of a storm. If you’re looking to spend more than just a couple of hours on the water, you want to sail on something that won’t capsize/sink easily because sea conditions can sometimes fluctuate within a short period. When it comes to safety, three hulls are better than two. Having one main hull and two overhangs on each side makes a trimaran more stable because of two reasons. First, the side overhangs widen the beam of the vessel, which minimizes the chances of the boat flipping over when hit by a large breaking wave from the side. Second, trimarans are typically designed with the weight centered on the main hull, further enhancing stability. Multihull stability is a complex topic and should be understood in detail if you want to stay safe at sea! - Why do catamarans capsize?
On the rare occasion that a trimaran flips over, it’ll stay afloat. That means if the worst happens, a capsized trimaran will turn into a potential life-saving raft that’s easier to spot from a helicopter. That’s because almost all trimarans designed in the last decade or so come with closed-cell foam distributed throughout the various parts of the boat to provide reserve buoyancy. Thanks to this kind of construction, you could cut most trimarans into pieces, and each would still stay afloat. While catamarans are typically more stable than monohulls, they’re no match for a trimaran in this regard. Hypothetically speaking, it would be easier to tip over a catamaran than a trimaran if both boat types were subjected to equal magnitude storms. That, however, doesn’t mean that catamarans aren’t safe. They’re still harder to flip over than monohulls and will stay afloat when that happens because they come with the same closed-cell foam found in a trimaran. While on the subject of safety, it’s worth mentioning that trimarans require less vigilance as far as reefing is concerned . Since catamarans heel less, most of the extra wind force translates to more “push” on the rig, increasing speed. But because the pressure exerted on the sail nearly quadruples when the wind speed doubles, you need to be extremely careful when timing your reef to keep a cat sailing flat. The same goes for reefing a trimaran, except that the slight heel gives you more room for error in terms of the timing. Most people who’ve ever steered both a trimaran and catamaran will agree that the former is more fun to sail. Most light trimarans, especially tiller-steered ones, have a terrific response to the helm. They have a slight heel that somewhat feels like a monohull, but the angle is a bit limited. A catamaran is stable, but it doesn’t heel. While heeling may be frowned upon by people who prioritize comfort and accommodation in a boat, it’s one of the most exciting parts of sailing. With three hulls to ensure stability, trimarans combine the heel of a monohull with a catamaran’s stability to deliver the best sailing elements of monohulls and multihulls in a single package. Considering that trimarans are more stable, you may be better off with one if you’re looking to have some fun as you perfect your helming skills. Speed is another area where trimarans outperform their twin-hulled counterparts. Typically lighter than catamarans, trimarans need less sail distance to hit double-digit speed averages. A trimaran can maintain a formidable course up-wind when fitted with centerboards/daggerboards (as is often the case for modern models). While a catamaran is still faster than a monohull of identical size, it falls short of the trimaran in terms of sheer speed. Understand that this doesn’t make catamarans slow boats; it’s just that tris are typically designed with more emphasis on performance. Why are Trimarans Faster Than Catamarans? Trimarans are easier to anchor than catamarans because they allow you to keep the ground tackle in and deploy it from the main hull. However, catamarans are more maneuverable and manageable in a marina. They also handle docking lines more conveniently. Catamarans vs. Trimaran: The VerdictIn summary, here’s what the differences between a cat and tri mean for anyone trying to choose between the two: A catamaran is a better choice if you’re looking to accommodate many people on board for something like a party because it’s more spacious and comfortable than a trimaran. On the other hand, a trimaran is an ideal choice for speed junkies and individuals looking to push their sailing skills to the next level on every stable platform. Hopefully, that has cleared the air and made it easier for you to pick a more suitable option for your sailing needs. - ResearchGate: A comparison of the motions of trimarans, catamarans and monohulls | Request PDF
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Free Shipping in the US on Orders $75+ Item added to your cartThe complete list of trimarans. There is no single trimaran that is best for everyone. Where some prefer luxury cruisers for long trips with family and friends, others might opt for a high performance racing tri for thrilling rides at breakneck speeds. With the recent spike in trimaran popularity, these days there is a perfect tri for every sailor. So to help prospective trimaran owners decide which boat is just right for them, we here at WindRider have put together a comprehensive list of the best trimarans on the market today! Read through for simple at-a-glance trimaran comparisons of boats both big and small, exhilarating and relaxing, and for all price points. Jump to a specific sailing trimaran: Neel Weta Corsair WindRider Dragonfly Catri Astus Hobie Sea Pearl Farrier Sea Cart Multi 23 Triak SeaRail Warren Lightcraft Diam Radikal Challenger Known for their award-winning luxury trimarans, NEEL is based in La Rochelle, the capital city of sailing in France. NEEL trimarans are built for fast cruising with an average cruising speed of about 10 knots, and are even configured to facilitate that sustained speed under motor propulsion. The NEEL 45 was notably named Cruising World’s Most Innovative Vessel in 2013, and by all accounts is an easy-to-sail, high performance boat that is just plain fun. At a glance: Models: NEEL 45, 65 Length: 45’ – 65’ Cost: $$$$$ Use: Luxury cruiser A fan favorite, Weta trimarans are fast, stable, and remarkably easy to rig. This single-sailor tri has a capacity of up to three, and the ease with which it can be transported and stored makes this a great, versatile boat for beginners. The Weta was named Sailing World’s 2010 Boat of the Year, and one ride is enough to know why: simply put, the Weta is an absolute ton of fun to sail regardless of skill level. Models: Weta Length: 14’5” Cost: $$ $$$ The high-end Corsair trimaran definitely holds its own in the categories of versatility, performance, and convenience. Boasting a rigging time of 30 minutes from trailer to sailor , the Corsair 42 – whose convenient folding amas makes trailering possible – is a simple option even for single sailors, though cabin space is suitable for two adults. These boats are wicked fast, capable of reaching speeds of 20+ knots, and were made for skilled sailors seeking solid construction and high performance vessels, not for beginners. Models: Pulse 600, Sprint 750 MKII, Dash 750 MKII, Corsair 28, Cruze 970, Corsair 37, Corsair 42 Length: 19’8” – 37’ Cost: $$$$ $ Use: Sports cruisers Built for the sailor who wants to maximize the joys of sailing while minimizing any hassle, WindRider trimarans are notoriously fast, very safe, and a blast to sail from start to finish. With several models that can hold between 1 and 6 riders, including adaptive designs to allow participation from sailors of all levels of mobility, there’s something to suit every sailor’s needs. The WindRider 17, an exhilarating ride perfect for families or camper sailors, has been known to reach speeds of up to 20mph. This easy day sailor goes from trailer to sailing in under 30 minutes and is sure to fit in perfectly with whatever adventures you have planned. Models: WR 16, 17, Tango, Rave V Length: 10’11” – 18’3” Cost: $ $$$$ Use: Day sailor The Danish-built Dragonfly trimarans come in a variety of models ranging from 25’ – 35’, all known for their spry performance, comfortable ride, and ease of use. Every model comes equipped with the unique “SwingWing” feature, a motorized system that can unfold the amas even while the boat is already underway – making it accessible to marinas and slips, and even makes trailering possible. Perfect for those who don’t want to sacrifice their comfort for high performance, the Dragonfly can breeze along at 13 knots while remaining one of the quietest compact cruisers out there. Models: Dragonfly 25, 28, 32, 35, 1200 Length: 25’ – 39’ Designed for both safe cruising as well as for high speed racing, Catri trimarans will make your day. Especially noteworthy is the Catri 25, a stable yet wildly fast foiling trimaran with accommodations for up to 6 people. With profiles optimized for speeds of 25+ knots when foiling, this is no beginner’s sailboat. The special attention paid to stability in the foil design allows the Catri to be a single sailor vessel, even at foiling speed, with no special physical abilities. Whether you’re taking a small crew for longer rides at shuddering speeds or bringing the whole family along for a shorter, but still thrilling sail, the Catri is truly one of a kind. Models: Catri 25 Length: 25’ Use: Cruiser/racer A popular brand of trimaran in Europe, Astus has recently made its way to the US market to the delight of sailors on this side of the pond. Designed to offer maximum pleasure with minimum hassle, all models of Astus trimarans are fast to set up, quick on the water, inherently stable, and always a joy to sail. Their outriggers are mounted on telescopic tubes for easy stowage and towing, and can even be extended and retracted on the water for access to narrow passageways and monohull slips in marinas. With models in all sizes and price points, Astus trimarans are a great option for any sailor. Models: Astus 16.5, 18.2, 20.2, 22, 24 Cabin: Some models Length: 16’ – 24’ Use: Sport cruisers HOBIE ADVENTURE ISLAND Great for beginners and adventurers alike, the Hobie Mirage Adventure Island series is nothing if not just plain fun. With the option to use as a kayak or as a very basic trimaran, the Hobie is transportable, versatile, unintimidating, lightweight, and wonderfully affordable. The pedal system known as “Mirage Drive” allows a person to pedal the kayak using their legs for an extra kick of movement in slow winds. Amas tuck close to the main hull for docking or car-topping, adding serious ease and convenience to the exhilarating experience of the Hobie. Models: Hobie Mirage Adventure Island, Mirage Tandem Island Length: 16’7” – 18’6” Use: Convertible kayak/trimarans Best known for its use in camp cruising excursions, the Sea Pearl offers a roomy main hull and particular ability to sail in very shallow waters, making beaching and launching a breeze. The lightweight Sea Pearl trimaran is easy to tow, and the larger-than-expected cabin opens this vessel up for overnight adventures with plenty of storage space. The simple design makes the Sea Pearl notoriously low maintenance, and the ease it takes to rig and sail it add to the overall delight of owning this boat. Models: Sea Pearl Length: 21’ Use: Camper cruiser Quick, lightweight, roomy, and trailerable, Farrier trimarans are made for versatility to fit every sailor’s needs. Different Farrier models are available in plan or kit boat form for those who appreciate building their boat themselves, but of course, also as the full production sail-away boat for the rest of us. Single-handed rigging and launching takes under 10 minutes from start to finish, minimizing hassle and getting you on the water fast. All non-racing Farrier designs use a minimum wind capsize speed of 30 knots or more to ensure safety for all those aboard. Add the roomy cabin and high speed capabilities to the equation and you’ve got a boat that is great fun for everyone. Models: F-22, 24, 25, 82, 27, 28, 31, 9A, 9AX, 9R, 32, 33, 33R, 33ST, 36, 39, 41, 44R Length: 23’ – 39’4” Cost: $$$ $$ Use: Sport cruisers/racers One of the biggest names in the game, SeaCart is internationally noted for its high performance trimarans that far exceed expectations for a production boat of its size. The SeaCart trimaran performs as brilliantly off the water as it does on with its super-light and efficient harbor folding system, making light work of trailering. Notoriously easy to manage and maintain, the SeaCart 26 One Design is the ultimate day racing trimaran, designed for both course and inshore/coastal distance racing. Absolutely worth the international buzz it has garnered, the SeaCart is a thrill from beginning to end. Models: SeaCart 26 Length: 26’ A high performance racer class, the Multi 23 is a lightweight, powerful trimaran known for its wicked speed of up to 25 knots. Multi trimarans of both available configurations were designed to give beach cat thrills and speed without any of the stability or seaworthy concerns. Open ocean sailing is no issue for the Multi’s big bows, which do their job to keep her stable. Built for sailors with a need for speed, the Multi makes a perfect weekend boat for racers, especially those with a taste for boat camping. Models: Multi 23 Length: 23’ Another dual outrigger sailing kayak/canoe design, the Triak trimaran was designed to be effortless and fun, especially for beginners. Paddle the kayak with sails furled, use the foot pedals for an extra kick of momentum, or sail with just the mainsail – the only boat in its class to feature an asymmetrical spinnaker – for exhilarating speeds and a blast on the water. Car-top the Triak anywhere for a quick sail or plan for a week long expedition, but always count on having a great time on this easy little boat. Models: Triak Length: 18’ Use: Convertible kayak/trimaran SeaRail trimarans are known for being affordable, light weight, trailerable trimarans that offer the perfect combination of exciting and relaxing experiences to a wide range of sailors. Whether it’s day sailing with your family, resort or camper sailing, SeaRail trimarans are ideal leisure vessels. Leave the hassle to the other boats – the SeaRail takes you from trailer to sailor in 15 minutes. But don’t let its reputation as a leisure tri fool you: if speed is what you want, rest assured that the SeaRail can deliver that as well. Models: SeaRail 19 WARREN LIGHTCRAFT Warren Lightcraft trimarans , another example of a convertible kayak-to-sailboat option, are known for their aesthetically pleasing designs that are also, as the name implies, very light for simple transportation and ease of use. Convert the kayak into a fast, high performance sailboat in just minutes, fly around on the waves all day long, then simply car-top the 68lb Warren for a maximum enjoyment, low-hassle day on the water. Perfect for sailors and paddlers of all skill levels, the Warren Lightcraft is the best of both worlds and an absolute joy to sail. Models: Warren Lightcraft Length: 15’6” Built strictly with racing in mind, the Diam 24 is a light, powerful one-design class trimaran and a notoriously exceptional performer. Boasting blistering speeds of up to 30 knots, Diam trimarans are not intended for beginners. For racers who crave the very best in terms of intense speeds, smooth handling and impeccable performance, the Diam is the red-hot one-design racing tri for you. Models: Diam 24 Length: 24’ For the sailor who prefers the finer things in life, the Radikal 26 delivers. Perfect for bringing the whole family out for a day on the water, this high performance, trailerable sailing trimaran strikes the most luxurious balance between quicksilver speeds and a smooth, comfortable ride. The Radikal 26 trimaran is as convenient to transport and set up as it is pleasant to sail, with a folding system that minimizes rigging hassle and also makes this a trailerable tri. Built for a fast and comfortable sail rather than a hold-onto-your-seats thrill, one-the-water safety and overall pleasure makes the Radikal 26 what it is. Models: Radikal 26 Use: Sport cruiser A solidly-built, single-handed trimaran, the Challenger also doubles as an adaptive design – meaning it is made to accommodate sailors of all levels of physical mobility. Best suited to lakes, the Challenger is a very safe, seaworthy boat for sailors of all ages and experience levels. Add to this the ease of owning, transporting and maintaining the Challenger trimaran and what you get is a simple, fun sailboat perfect both for beginners and those seeking a cheap thrill alike. Models: Challenger At a glance comparison: | | | | | | | Astus 16.5, 18.2, 20.2, 22, 24 | | 16’ – 24’ | Sport cruiser | Some models | | Catri 25 | | 25’ | Cruiser/racer | Y | | Challenger | | - | Day sailor | N | | Pulse 600, Sprint 750 MKII, Dash 750 MKII, Cruze 970, Corsair 28, 37, 42 | | 19’8” – 37’ | Sport cruisers | Y | | Diam 24 | | 24’ | Racer | N | | Dragonfly 25, 28, 32, 35, 1200 | | 25’ – 39’ | Luxury cruiser | Y | | F-22, 24, 25, 82, 27, 28, 31, 9A, 9AX, 9R, 32, 33, 33R, 33ST, 36, 39, 41, 44R | | 23’ – 39’ 4” | Sport cruisers/racers | Y | | Mirage Island, Mirage Tandem Island | | 16’7” – 18’6” | Convertible kayak/trimarans | N | | Multi 23 | | 22’ | Racer | Y | | NEEL 45, 65 | | 44’ – 65’ | Luxury cruiser | Y | | Radikal 26 | | 26’ | Sport cruiser | Y | | Sea Pearl | | 21’ | Camper cruiser | Y | | SeaCart 26 | | 26’ | Racer | Y | | SeaRail 19 | | 18’ | Day sailor | N | | Triak | | 18’ | Convertible kayak/trimaran | N | | Warren Lightcraft | | 15’6” | Convertible kayak/trimaran | N | | Weta | | 14’5” | Racer | N | | WR 16, 17, Tango, Rave V | | 10’11” – 18’3” | Day sailor | N | Did we miss one? 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Log in or Sign upYou are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly. You should upgrade or use an alternative browser . converting convential mono sail to tri-haul/outrigDiscussion in ' Multihulls ' started by dem45133 , Aug 4, 2006 . dem45133 Junior MemberI started into this site when I got turned back onto water and spotted a sportfisherman in my low (read as almost non-existant, but there is a small means) boating budget. But when I calculated the $1.60 per MINUTE to feed the thing under way, I've re-thought that approach. I'm handy... real handy.. and can design build most anything if I research it enough. Thinking now on sail, as I have enjoyed that the few times (once on a 5 day criuse on the Manatou out of Traverse City MI.. NEAT Boat!). But here's the 1st catch... To get big enough on sail to do extended multi week criuses (you know ...actually go somewhere...) require at least 28ft or more if I can afford it. But about 28 feet or so is the limit for self hauling behind a heavy 3/4 ton even with a wide trailer permit. The weight is now getting into the equation. Mostly due to ballast. The second catch is an affliction my wife has called Maneir's (sp?) Disease ... an inner ear problem which cause balance issues when the eyes can't lock to things and maintain equalibrium. (and no... you will not call my wife dizzi... and she's not blond.... and she'd likely kick your you-know-what in a heartbeat if you did... ). It really is a disease... and will only get worse with time. She does real well with it most days, but extreme heeling over will be an issue. No sense in it at all if she will not be comfortable. She been my partner through thick and thin for many years now... not interested in it if she's not there. Both of these got me thinking about multi-hulls. A breif search did not locate anything affordable... This got me thinking about modifying an older 30 or 32 narrow to be more or less a shallow draft partial V bottom... and adding 22 or 24 foot (or ??) outriggers... and intead of going with a single large (read as tall) mast, go with the shorter twin masted ketch rig. This oughta, at least in thought, allow for a relative stable shallow drafted and roomy semi-live aboard that one does not need to be a millionare to afford. I want to sail portions of the great lakes, so what ever I do needs to be able to handle 6 ft seas on occation (yea I know thats only if it caught me or the weatherman offguard and am now headed for cover somewhere... but no doubt it will happen on those lakes!). Do outrigged vessels hand rough sea very well? Anybody seen anything along these lines anywhere or did it yourselves? Thanks again. Dave catsketcher Senior Memberthey are out there Hello Dave, Before you go building yourself a converted boat I would look carefully at the Farrier trimarans available. The older Trailertri 720's are good boats and affordable. Dragonflys are also good boats and will be less costly in the end because you will be able to sell it for a good price later. It took about 20 years for this to sink in - you want to have a boat you can sell if it costs much money. Converting monos is rarely successful and the engineering problems are severe. One reason there are mainly Farrier tris around (in the trailering department) is that the engineering of his boats is one of the very few ways to have demountabilty and seaworthiness. Many thousands of hours have been spent on this problem so my advice would be to do lots of talking to lots of people who know trailerable multihulls and learn from what they know. My back ground on this has been developing a folding catamaran. This has taken over my life for 5 years and I am an experienced sailor/builder and trained in physics and I am not there yet. You gotta be a little crazy! Cheers Phil Thompson www.foldingcats.com tspeer Senior Memberdem45133 said: ...But about 28 feet or so is the limit for self hauling behind a heavy 3/4 ton even with a wide trailer permit. The weight is now getting into the equation. Mostly due to ballast. Click to expand... sigurd Pompuous Pangolinplug Maybe you would like to look at Rob Denney's proas; www.harryproa.com . They are said to be cheap for the accomodation since they don't use a lot of material. But there are probably none second hand. Some are trailable but I don't remember what sort of mechanism they had. They are opposite from trad. proas in that most weight and the accomodation is to windward so they should heel very little. Rob visits these fora from time to time at least. Good luck, hope you find a nice boat. nero Senior MemberSome 8 meter cats are demountable and can be towed at one time. There is one in Shuttleworth's collection that has been sailed across the atlantic. This should survive the great lakes (all tho the waves are probably steeper) http://www.john-shuttleworth.com/Images/8MCheetah-thumbs.html Rob's proas are interesting also. He is into building things in the least expensive manner. His plans are affordable also. As an idea, I posted a .dxf file of a harry proa. It has the lightbulb hulls in order to get some more living space inside. With Rob's help you could maybe work that into something doable. All the above is if you plan on building. There is also k-design. The have some cats that look quick to build. One of them uses a novel sideways fin. No daggerboards or keels. Thanks all. I appreciate it, and I will be taking a look at your suggestions. AS yet, I have not sailed on a modern sail. The sailing I've done was on a small 16ft cat, or on the Manitou... neither of which really count toward experience... but are credited with creating the big tease. We got 12 knots out of the Manatou...which is hull speed... and it was really neat!. And before you all say it... I will not be sailing any open water great lakes until I've I gain some time and experience in protected waters. (we won't talk about when I took my little 1962 14 ft Sea Mac w/35 Evinrude [a plywood runabout built in Toms River NJ] out to the Otter Island of the Apostle Islands of Lake Superior loaded to the gunnels with camping equipment and a 16ft kayak.... all went well, but the 4 ft chop coming back was interesting...although she handled it well at about 1/3 throttle... or about taking her out the Barnigate Bay inlet... ocean swells are real strange in a little boat BTW... but I was 20 then not 53). I still have that little boat although she hasn't been wet in 15 years. I keep threatening to restore her and use it antique boat parades. Still ran fine last time out. (Although the State of Ohio wants Titles which never existed... I bought her for $100 when I was 17... I traded a motorcycle for the 1959 Big Twin Evinrude at 19... and even though I can show a PA and Wisconsin registrations they won't take it!!!!!!! AGGGH! So it’s not been use since moving here. Just sits in the shed gathering dust and probably some more dry rot. I know I talk too much. Keep feeding...I need to learn a lot... the designer in me thinks too much and as Phil stated above... you’ve got to be a little crazy... Yea... It fits... just ask my wife. Thanks, Dave As quoted from Tom Speer above "A trimaran is an integrated system - it's not a "monohull with training wheels". If you try to convert a monohull into a multiull, you get the worst of both worlds." Tom, con you expound on the above statement? Since I am still in the infancy learning stage...please expand on what is the "worst of both worlds". My curiousity hurts. Thanks. Dave Hillsboro, Ohio Hobie/J24 Trimaran Conversion thread http://boatdesign.net/forums/showthread.php?t=7206&highlight=j24 tri In this thread most of the reasons why not to do a conversion are mentioned. dem45133 said: This got me thinking about modifying an older 30 or 32 narrow to be more or less a shallow draft partial V bottom... Click to expand... hansp77, I will, and her concerns are part of all decisions. Converting an ole motor boat to a trimaran, AND sailboatconverting moments of inertia into metricConverting a sailing cat into a power oneConverting a beach cat rig for cruising- No, create an account now.
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monohull to trimaran Hi Tom, I was just searching for the same issue. My boat a Beneteau Oceanis 390 is quite comfortable but slow (max 8 knots). My idea was to convert it into a trimaran using pre-manufactured parts. Got to the f-boat site with their folding beams. I'm at the moment checking out that posibility!
But remember that 1) sails on a multihull generally need to be cut a little flatter than for a monohull and 2) the stability of a trimaran will increase the load on both the mast and sails, so if coming from a beach cat, it's recommended to cut down its mast length to not exceed 1.35L of the original beach-cat length .... or if from the main ...
The images shown below represent a working versions of a slender monohull conversion to very functional trimarans. If the base hull is selected carefully, you are capable and willing to make rather extensive mods to the original hull, and have more than a passing understanding of how to balance and properly engineer a boat of this type, it can ...
Converting monohull into trimaran. Discussion in 'Boat Design' started by sailor182, Jun 5, 2013. Joined: May 2013 Posts: 18 ... Why convert a mono hull? In my area all the harbors are at capacity with a ten/fifteen year waiting list so there are a lot of decent sailboat on trailers going for cheap. Interior space wouldn't be too shabby ether.
Inherently, a multihull is more stable due to its width. While sailing, a trimaran does heal a little, somewhere in between a monohull and a catamaran. While at anchor, our trimaran does rock a little, more so than a catamaran, but less than a monohull. Performance: Since a multihull is inherently stable in it's design due to its high 'form ...
Our small tri friend Stefano M. sent me links to the following YouTube videos. They feature a J-24 sailboat converted into full-blown trimaran. The sailor (s) responsible for this appear to have done a fine job. Converting a monohull into a trimaran has certainly been done before. But it's not for the faint of heart :-)
Another look at the Tricote trimaran, which was made from a monohull that has been converted to a trimaran +(44) 01590 619315 The online community for enthusiasts of trailerable ... Another example of a very beam-y main hull performing well…I contend that this boat and the J-24 conversion manage this because (besides being very light to start ...
Corsair trimarans, and most others, have a max heel angle of 12-14 degrees depending on the model. That's "flat sailing" in monohull terms. And it means that rudders and daggerboards keep a reassuring grip and the speed therefore feels more effortless on the helm. That surefootedness transfers over to your crew - they'll detect the ...
Top stories. A radical new foiling hull design claims to combine the efficiency of a trimaran with the space of a monohull — Hugo Andreae takes a look at the world's first trimonoran motoryacht. Award-winning Turkish yacht designer Baran Akalin has combined forces with Dutch engineer G. Jelle Bilkert to create what they describe as the ...
Consider the alternative to a trimaran: an equivalent monohull. For the monohull, we strip off the side amas and widen the center hull to maintain ship stability. But bad news. A wider hull requires a larger engine, and associated support machinery. In general, the machinery accounts for approximately 50% of the total build cost.
For their size, trimarans can punch well above their weightin speed, cruising potential, and fun. Monohull sailorTheo Stocker gets to grips with how to handl...
Trimaran Conversion on the Cheap. Discussion in 'Multihulls' started by Chuckles, May 4, 2015. Page 1 of 2 1 2 Next > Joined: May 2015 Posts: 4 ... In many ways a cat or tri is much better than a monohull since it will not heel nearly as much, adding to the worry of a newbie. So consider making a suitable center hull, with a comfortable (even ...
Trimaran sail trim. One of the biggest differences between a cruising monohull and a multihull is how the mainsail is trimmed. Leech tension on a yacht is often largely controlled by the kicker and the backstay, while the mainsheet sheets the mainsail in and out, predominantly controlling the angle of the boom to the centreline, and there may be a short traveller.
I like them both. Currently we own a monohull (cruiser), a catamaran (racer), and a trimaran (daysailer). They are all great for different jobs, and I like them all. The cat is the most fun to sail, but is also the smallest and is a one person very physical boat to sail. The trimaran is probably the ideal day sailer, fast, good in light air, can stack a lot of people on it, low loads, rewards ...
http://www.smalltrimarans.com - Short video featuring sailor Greg Petroski having some fun on the water with the trimaran he made using an used canoe and old...
First, they heel more than cats, making it difficult to do things like cooking on board. Second, they support much less load than catamarans. To put things into perspective, some 45 feet (14 meters). Cats can carry nearly three tons of payloads, whereas similarly sized trimarans can barely support half that load.
A 30ft long boat about 2metres.6;6 wide would make a good river/lake craft. I haven't seen any fiberglass powerboat hulls with dimensions anywhere near 30' x 6'6". Two hulls joined together just doubles the drag, not going to sail well, especially with low tech sails.
The below creation was just featured in Norwegian sailing media. Apparently a german project named "Mia". The report says that the centerhull used to be a Dehler 41DS. Pics shot by Helge Iversøy at Ponta Delgada. I have seen lots of discussions about using a monohull as the basis for a trimaran. This is the first time I have actually seen such ...
The BGM75 is designed to be consistent with the rest of the group's offer: the beam is reduced to the point of approaching a monohull size, and above all, only the forward view reveals the two hulls. From the side, and especially from the stern, the Bluegame appears to have all the design codes of a monohull yacht.
Their outriggers are mounted on telescopic tubes for easy stowage and towing, and can even be extended and retracted on the water for access to narrow passageways and monohull slips in marinas. With models in all sizes and price points, Astus trimarans are a great option for any sailor. At a glance: Models: Astus 16.5, 18.2, 20.2, 22, 24
The electronically controlled ServoProp, as it's called, can produce 1kW at 6-8 knots of boatspeed. Tests on a 38ft monohull produced 3kW at 12 knots. Different mentality. Even with a decent solar array and a regenerating propeller, range still is going to be an issue for all but the lightest and fastest multihulls.
A trimaran is an integrated system - it's not a "monohull with training wheels". If you try to convert a monohull into a multiull, you get the worst of both worlds. The unfortunate fact is that you can't build a boat for less than buying a used boat that does what you really want.