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Dufour VS Beneteau or Jeanneau?? are Dufour better- Thread starter oceanventure2
- Start date 11 Jan 2007
- 11 Jan 2007
oceanventure2hi there i am looking at buying a boat from one of the above manufacturers.. my question being, are dufour better than bene or jeaneau? i have heard a few people say this.. if so in what way are they bettter, having owned a beneteau myself, i can say that some of the fixtures/fittings are cheap and nasty, all info appreciated.. TwinRuddersAgree with you on NEW Beneteau - horrible inside - cheap and nasty. The older ones have a much higher standard of craftsmanship/fitting - but that's just progress apparently... New Dufour look better - but then aren't they a lot more money? Happy new year to all. J they (dufour) are normally about 7% more expensive than beneteau. the new beneteaus are cheap and nasty inside, and i rekon would fall asunder over a few years use,., BajansailorWell-known member. Are you on a personal crusade against Beneteau? They must have done something right to become the biggest (in terms of output) yacht builder in the world. I think that both Beneteau and Jeanneau are owned by the same parent company now. I also think that it is impossible to state categorically that one boat is 'better' overall than another - this can only be somebody's personal opinion, and another person might dis-agree. If Dufours are 7% more expensive than Bennys, one would expect the overall standard to be a bit better as well. In this day of automated boat building (same as robots building cars) one cannot expect to have handbuilt coachwork quality for mass production prices - you pays your monies and you takes your choice. Can't speak for Ben/Jen but as owner of a 2001 Dufour (30 Classic) I can confirm that it is well finished inside and out and holding up well after 4 seasons' regular use - no significant gear failures or noticeable wear and tear signs, other than a small persistent trickle from the stbd toe rail or chain plate - as with all modern boats its fiendishly hard to get to the underside of the fittings to find/fix it. Production built boats are in the same stage of development as production built cars of the 1960's, basically poor when compared to the hand built ones. Todays Production cars are well built well designed and last well, production boats have a long way to go yetbefore they reach that stage Active memberI can't answer your question but I can tell you that Dufour are owned by the same company that owns Beneteau/ Jeanneau as they were bought a few years ago when Dufor went bust. Dufour do have a slightly better reputation but having sailed both I can't say that I would regard one as significantly better than the other Sans Bateau[ QUOTE ] as owner of a 2001 Dufour (30 Classic) I can confirm that it is well finished inside and out and holding up well after 4 seasons' regular use [/ QUOTE ] 4 seasons use?! who said these modern boats are made to last! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif I have bought a new Dufour 36 then a Dufour 38 and lastly a Jeanneau 43. The answer is really what do you want, whats important to you. IMHO all the manufacturers are paring down on the fitting to reduce costs so it can even be unfair to compare makes of boats of different age of design. eg rear mooring cleats on the newer 43 Elan are about 60% the size of the 40 Elan. If you are considering performance the Dufour 34/40/44 range appear good if you are considering quality/fitting construction of say the 385 etc range of Dufours I would consider the Jeanneaus better. One major deciding factor for me was the Volvo component. On the Dufours (although new) I had problems at various times necessitating replacing the complete engine, a gearbox, a saildrive and 2 Volvo folding propellers. My boats were on the charter market so got heavy use but not abuse and were regularly maintained. I therefore finally choose a Jeaneau with a Yanmar Engine and for once have now had 2 years of troublefree ownership. While trying to be helpful Dufour do not warantee the Volvo parts and you rely on the Volvo guarantee and their attitude of have to go to court under sale of goods act. I dont buy a boat for this level of agro so hence the Yanmar engine etc was a very major factor in my choice of boat. Where are you based? Charter boats have heavier usage and any problems are more quickly found. Ask the operators of charter companies that charter all these makes of boats and listen to their experience. When I started with HPYC about 80% of the boats were Volvo engined I think it is now down to 20%. You can either learn from others experience or buy your own!! Minor point but I did replace the springs that support the heavy fridge lids on the Jeanneau with the sliding locking Dufour type as the slightest touch when reaching down to the bottom of the fridge had the lid crashing onto your head! Hope this helps PM me if you have any specific questions. StugeronSteveNot sure what you mean by earlier bennys. I have a 2002 Oceanis, which has had five years use by family (inc big teenagers) and lads trips and still looks like new inside. They might not have the flashiest interiors, but from my experience they stay in one piece. Sorry but I thought that and it was pointed out on this Forum that I was wrong . Dufour now have a tie up with Gran Soliel I believe. Regarding Beneteaus they are owned by the same parent company as Jeanneau but operate independantly. I would be surprised though if they don't combine bulk purchasing. The biggest difference between Jeanneau & Beneteau is the design departments with Beneteau going for an internal moulding that when glued to the hull forms the ribs and stringers while Jeanneau go for the more expensive conventional forming of seperate ribs and stringers (like the dearer Finngulf). I am not confident of a beneteaus ability to withstand impact without some delamination/seperation of the inner lining but then dont go aground or have impacts! the item on the top of my list is 1. must have yanmar, have heard to many issues with volvo saildrives. 2. engine must be easily accessible for maintenance. [ QUOTE ] I can't answer your question but I can tell you that Dufour are owned by the same company that owns Beneteau/ Jeanneau as they were bought a few years ago when Dufor went bust. [/ QUOTE ] I think that Dufour (that went bust several times) is now in the same ownership as Grand soleil and Gib Sea. The group produces these three lines of boats aiming at different budgets. Grand Soleil : High Dufour : Medium Gib Sea : Low And of course Dufour is now just a brand name and has nothing to do with pre-1980 Michel Dufour design-built and MDSA. Here Interesting read on this subject - Dufour vs Ben [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I can't answer your question but I can tell you that Dufour are owned by the same company that owns Beneteau/ Jeanneau as they were bought a few years ago when Dufor went bust. [/ QUOTE ] I think that Dufour (that went bust several times) is now in the same ownership as Grand soleil and Gib Sea. The group produces these three lines of boats aiming at different budgets. Grand Soleil : High Dufour : Medium Gib Sea : Low And of course Dufour is now just a brand name and has nothing to do with pre-1980 Michel Dufour design-built and MDSA. [/ QUOTE ] Being some one who sells them and actually knows. Gibsea are no more. Dufour are linked only to Grand Soleil. andy_wilsonDon\'t forget Bavaria... On the recent LIBS preview show they featured a small Bavaria and commented on how well engineered it was whilst showing a shot of the keel root. Can't think why, all the rest of the boats had dinettes and berths and instrument panels on show! As others have said it depends on what is important to you as which differences tip the balance. I chose Jen43 because the hull is hand laid and all stiffness is integral within hull, the Dufor I believe relies on the inner mouldings to augment hull integrity, the bonding between the mouldings and the hull is structurally important and access to the hull if it is pierced is as a result more difficult - but thats what I thought was important. However that said the latest offerings from Ben and Jen are IMHO "cheap" especially the Cyclades range from Ben. In recent times the 2000 - 2004 era for all these craft exibit better finish and the Dufor classic range (no longer in production) is very well finished the joinery in particular is very good - and they sail well. Incidentally many of the Bavs of 2000 has a finish similar to the current Ben; is this progress? [ QUOTE ] They must have done something right to become the biggest (in terms of output) yacht builder in the world. [/ QUOTE ] Yes they manufacture in France which means significant government subsidies and assistance over the years. Bit like Hanse. But then Renault are a huge car maker, and their quality leaves a lot to be desired. Yes and I wonder where Citroens come from, as well /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif Members online- MochiCraft35Fly
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Share this pageInteresting SailboatsWednesday, may 20, 2020, beneteau, jeanneau, dufour, bavaria, hanse: building and design. | Cover and above, Jeanneau 440 | | Hanse sandwish hull in some yachts | | Bavaria. Below, the C-line structure is similar to IT 13.98. | | Dufour: structural contre moule. | | Hull with a superior built (Solaris) | | Hanse has sandwich bulkheads in some yachts | | Hanse 418 one of the smallest MP with a SW hull | | The Dehler 38 has a sandwich hull | | Elan and Salona have a vacuum infused sw hull | 21 comments:Incredible article! You made it easy to understand construction and cost differences in yacht manufacturing. Certainly not something you can easily read in mainstream publications! Thank you for your excellent work! 'You get what you pay for' still holds true, although with sailboats it's a bit harder to assess what you really get. Therefore, your article is important and helpful. Congratulations, it's an excellent piece! IMO the so-called mass-producers have good reasons to specify and build boats the way they are doing it. After all, there is a lot of demand for what I call floating condos with minimal sailing capabilities. Fortunately, there are alternatives available for those who care ... and have the cash to pay the difference. Best, Markus Viva Paulo, que maravilha de artigo. Sigo o seu blog já uns bons tempos e é de longe um dos melhores e honestos blogs que já vi sobre Veleiros. Muito Obrigado por ensinar e ajudar a compreender melhor o lado menos conhecido da construção dos veleiros tão famosamente eleitos como o Veleiro do Ano... Dá que pensar! Paulo Rodrigues olá Paulo, sem dúvida seu xará Paulo está fazendo um ótimo trabalho. eu também estou acompanhando o blog dele faz tempo e já aprendi muita coisa ... ;-) abcs, Markus Great article because it identifies a very important issue; value for money. Few people can afford the yacht of their dreams, but can be very happy with a boat that is more than adequate for their needs. Great article indeed! Very helpful to better understand value in a very much "invisible" area... and with great technical insights. Well done, thanks! Clear as usual, I think anyone want to buy a boat should read your blog first. Regarding the sandwich construction, many reported heavy problems in case of undetected water entry between the layers, with huge repairing cost. May be for a cruising boat, where some kg more in the hull is not an issue, a single skin well reinforced can have some advantages? Hi Fillipo, when you say "water entry between the layers" I assume you mean water ingress to the core. The only way that can happen is trough outer skin damage or due to low quality gel coat/paint and polyester resin over the time (osmosis), and when I'm saying over the time I mean years and years. Vinylester and Epoxy resins don't have that problem Water ingress in the core is only a "big problem" in wood core like balsa core or plywood but not in close cells foam. When you say single skin can have some advantages over sandwich construction, the only way to compare both structures is to know the lay up applied in both cases, something nearly realisticly impossible. In same areas of the boat single skin is preferred over sandwich structures, some others, the contrary. Just an opinion ;) FRS Great article!!! There is one detail can be used to see if a boat have been constructed for real sailing: the situation and length of the mainsheet track. I am pretty sure than in almost all the boats of this blog is in the pope and it is long. :-) Great read thank you. There is one discrepancy you state " All mass production brands use deck steeped masts with compression posts". Dehler 38SQ and Dehler 42 both have kill stepped masts. Hi, Your post entered the first time but it needs to be approved (lots of spam). You have to wait for that to be done for being published. I don't consider Dehler a mass production brand. The number of boats manufactured by year does not qualify it as that. I would say that is a medium production brand, like Grand Soleil for instance, that on the more sportive range, performance cruisers like Dehler, also use keel steeped masts. Almost all brands that make real performance cruisers, or cruiser racers, use keel stepped masts on their models, but none of these brands is a mass production brand. Hi Paulo. Thank you for your response and clarification. Good to hear you do not consider Dehler as mass production brand. Funny enough they are owned by Hanse and produced is Hanse yard. You discussed Hanse and Dehler in you article along other makes and as a reader I was under impression you were. I keep enjoying reading your blog. Hi Thomas, yes Dehler belong to Hanse group but they have a separated management, a bit like Grand Soleil belonged to Bavaria group (some years back), or as Nautitech belongs now to Bavaria group. Separated brands belonging to the same group. Nice to hear from you and sorry if I gave you the wrong impression, but on the title of the article is clear what are the brands I am referring as mass production builders. Also the Bavaria C57 is keel stepped. Hi great insight and whilst been sailing sometime never really thought about construction just what the wife likes from the boat shows. Just put the deposit down on a Bavaria C57 and after checking she has a vacuum sealed foam core, solid GRP bottom and bonded stringers along with a keel step mast. Phew! Hi Paulo, very interesting article. Small friendly correction from a true fan. The Hanse 458 comes with a sandwich hull, including a core-mat, which I guess is some high density foam as opposed to balsa, and an exterior vinyl ester, between the external GRP laminate and the gelcoat. This seems very similar to the build of Dehler, including for the bonded and laminated grid. I wonder what is your thinking and I pray for the new Hanse 460 to be built alike. Let's see. Cheers and goodspeed They say that on the brochure but on the document that matters, the specifications, they say it is monolithic. Or it is an unacceptable error on the specifications, or more likely they used some parts of the brochure of the previous 45ft, that had in fact a sandwich hull. You can download the specifications on this page:http://hanseyachts.hr/range/hanse-458/#info Thank you for this really great and informative article! I think you try to explain building techniques and materials - but you miss to explain that the cost of a hull is around %30 of the total cost of a ready to sail boat. The interior of the "higher brands" is made of better, rounded, woods. that costs a lot more to build than plywood interior of French and German. I do not agree that Swedish or Germans and French sailboats hulls are built to last. You dont read them sunk or insurance prices in europe would shoot up. Bavaria now (2021) builds hand-laid for sailboats .. no more infusion. What i mean, they change their building methods (all the time more or less the same technologies tough) depending on the circumstances of the industry at that time. In the case of impact with a solid object, I do not believe a HR, Malo, X-Yacht compared to a French or German boat would have significantly different outputs. Their interior and deck fittings, very different. That is where the pricing differs. Very good article (despite your complicated syntax :) Fantastic article!! Thank you!! |
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Hanse and Bavaria should be checked model by model. Smaller Hanse models are now built with single skin (monolithic skin), the 418 is the first with a sandwich-hull but the new 458 comes with a single skin hull and only bigger boats have a sandwich-hull. On Jeanneau, Dufour or Beneteau only the top and more expensive yachts use a sandwich hull.